Three-particle decay and momentum

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The discussion revolves around the decay of a neutron into a proton, an electron, and a neutrino, focusing on the vector nature of momentum and the requirement for the velocity vectors of the three particles to be coplanar when the neutron is initially at rest.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the momentum vectors of the decay products, with one participant attempting to establish a mathematical relationship based on the conservation of momentum. Others suggest considering the motion of two particles to define a plane and propose using linear algebra to analyze the momentum vectors.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have offered tentative answers and suggestions for defining the problem, while others express uncertainty about their reasoning and seek clarification on specific points.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of vector momentum in a three-particle decay scenario, with some expressing confusion about definitions and the implications of their calculations. There is a recognition that the problem involves assumptions about the initial conditions of the neutron and the nature of momentum vectors.

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The decay of a neutron into a proton, an electron, and a neutrino is an example of a three-particle decay process. Use the vector nature of momentum to show that if the neutron is initially at rest, the velocity vectors of the three must be coplanar (that is, all in the same plane). The result is not true for numbers greater than three.

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I knew that 0 would be equal to the net momentum of the three particles in all 3 directions, but don't really know where to go from here. I don't even know how to start this problem.
 
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To get you started, the motion of any two particles defines a plane.
 
PeroK said:
To get you started, the motion of any two particles defines a plane.

I think I have a tentative answer but the more I think about it the less sense it makes to me, basically what I did was take m(proton)v(proton)+m(neutrino)v(neutrino)+m(electron)v(electron)=0
Then, I defined plane as the motion V(proton) of the proton and motion V(neutrino) of the neutrino. Next I got m(electron)v(electron)=-(m(proton)v(proton)+m(neutrino)v(neutrino)). Then converted this to momentum, thus -(P(proton)+P(neutrino))=P(electron). Thus P(electron) is opposite in direction but equal in magnitude to the addition of the other two vectors. Thus, it can be inferred that as it's opposite it's in the same plane. Is this correct or am I completely wrong. Should I write more to specify exactly what is meant?
 
joseph_kijewski said:
I think I have a tentative answer but the more I think about it the less sense it makes to me, basically what I did was take m(proton)v(proton)+m(neutrino)v(neutrino)+m(electron)v(electron)=0
Then, I defined plane as the motion V(proton) of the proton and motion V(neutrino) of the neutrino. Next I got m(electron)v(electron)=-(m(proton)v(proton)+m(neutrino)v(neutrino)). Then converted this to momentum, thus -(P(proton)+P(neutrino))=P(electron). Thus P(electron) is opposite in direction but equal in magnitude to the addition of the other two vectors. Thus, it can be inferred that as it's opposite it's in the same plane. Is this correct or am I completely wrong. Should I write more to specify exactly what is meant?

Think of the momenta simply as three vectors. And think of how to define your ##x,y,z## axes.

I'm not sure I understand your explanation.
 
An alternative approach is to use Linear Algebra. If the original particle is at rest, what can you say about the three momenta vectors?
 

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