Time average vs. phase space average

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The discussion focuses on calculating and comparing the time average and phase space average of x² for a harmonic oscillator with a given total energy E0. The time average is defined using an integral that requires substituting the harmonic oscillator's position function, x = a cos(√(k/m)t + φ), where the amplitude a can be derived from the energy E0. There is a concern about a potential typo in the time average definition, which some participants believe may have incorrect dimensions. Clarification is provided that the correct form should include x²(τ) in the integral. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the definitions and calculations involved in the averages for the harmonic oscillator.
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Homework Statement


For a given total energy E0 compute and compare a time average and a phase space average of x2 for the harmonic oscillator. The one-dimensional Hamiltonian is

H = \frac{p^2}{2m}+\frac{m\omega^2}{2}x^2

Reminder: the time average is defined as

\langle x^2\rangle =\frac{1}{t}\int_0^t x^2\tau\,d\tau

we will be mostly interested in the long time limit. The phase space average is

\overline{x}^2=\frac{\int\delta (E_0-H)x^2\,dx\,dp}{\int\delta (E_0-H)\,dx\,dp}


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The Attempt at a Solution

First, for the time average, all I can think of is that for a harmonic oscillator x = a\cos (\sqrt{k/m}t+\phi ). I can then substitute this in the given integral for time average, which I can then evaluate. The problem is that I don't know what a and \phi are given the information in the problem.

Any hints/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 
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The amplitude a can be calclated since the energy E0 is given.
The initial phase \phi doesn't affect the average x2.

By the way, the definition of the time average has wrong dimension. Is it a typing error?
 
Thank you for the reply.

Maxim Zh said:
The amplitude a can be calclated since the energy E0 is given.

Yes, I've now found out that E = (1/2)m\omega^2 A^2.

Maxim Zh said:
By the way, the definition of the time average has wrong dimension. Is it a typing error?

Well, I've copied it exactly the way it shows up on the problem set, so maybe the professor made a typo?
 
The common time average definition is:

<br /> &lt;f(t)&gt; = \frac{1}{t} \int_0^t f(\tau)\,d\tau.<br />

May be the brackets around the \tau are missed in your definition?
 
Okay, I see what you're saying; I agree it should be

\frac{1}{t}\int_0^t x^2(\tau)\,d\tau

Thanks, I got it now.
 
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