Time & Temperature: Any Connection?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the relationship between time and temperature, questioning whether changes in temperature affect the passage of time or the behavior of physical processes. Participants consider various theoretical perspectives, including thermodynamics and quantum mechanics, while also addressing the implications for atomic clocks and the nature of time itself.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that time is not slowed by a decrease in temperature, suggesting that while certain physical processes may slow down, time itself remains unaffected.
  • Others argue that time and thermodynamics are related through the concept of entropy, which defines the arrow of time and is influenced by temperature.
  • A participant mentions that temperature can be viewed as an 'imaginary time' in Quantum Field Theory, though this is presented as a mathematical interpretation rather than a physical reality.
  • There is a discussion about how atomic clocks are affected by temperature changes, with some noting that adjustments are necessary for clocks on satellites due to temperature-related errors.
  • One participant raises a hypothetical scenario regarding the melting of ice cubes in different gravitational fields, suggesting that observations may vary based on the observer's location.
  • Another participant states that time flows slower in the gravitational field of a massive object, indicating a connection between gravity and the perception of time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of views, with some asserting no direct relationship between temperature and time, while others highlight connections through entropy and gravitational effects. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives present.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that while temperature can influence physical processes, this does not imply a direct relationship with the concept of time itself. The discussion also touches on the complexities of defining time and its measurement in different contexts.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring the intersections of physics, thermodynamics, and the philosophical implications of time, as well as individuals curious about the effects of temperature on physical systems.

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Probably a silly question but do time and temperature have any relation at all? As in when things get colder does time slow down as well (since everything tends to start moving slower)?

I assume temperature also affects atomic clocks and such?

So if there's no relation, then what is time?
 
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No, there is no relation. Time is not slowed by a decrease in temperature. Certain physical processes might be slowed by a decrease in temperature, but not all.

Time is probably best thought of as another physical dimension similar to the 3 spatial dimensions. The question "where are you" has 4 coordinates to describe it.
 
However, time and thermodynamics do have an interesting relationship.

It's the tendency of things to occur in a certain direction, consider a drop of colored water dopped into a glass of clear water, the colored water diffuses around the glass over time. No matter how much time passes, the colored molecules will never spontaneously re-group to form a drop again. Even though the motion of the molecules is completely random. Why this is , I'm not really sure.
 
There is some sense in which temperature can be viewed as an 'imaginary time' in Quantum Field Theory, which connects statistical mechanics and quantum field theory. I don't know a great deal about this, but I would NOT make the leap to suggest it's an actual physical one as opposed to merely anything more than a mathematical interpretation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_time
 
DLuckyE said:
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So if there's no relation, then what is time?

Time is what prevents everything from happening at once.
 
I probably should have phrased it differently, how do you determine the speed of time? Isn't the only way to look at the speed of physical processes?
 
time will be slowed near to the large bodies in space (stars, black holes, neutron stars)
cause of curved spacetime
i don't think there`s there`s a relation between temperature and slowed time
temperature form of energy...and bodies another form, but temperature not
matter...
 
DLuckyE said:
Probably a silly question but do time and temperature have any relation at all?
1. Entropy in thermodynamics is a function of heat (temperature).
2. Entropy defines the arrow of time.

The second law of thermodynamics states that, as time progresses, the entropy of an isolated non-equilibrium system must either increase or remain the same.

So if you look from this perspective, time and entropy are very closely related to each other.
DLuckyE said:
As in when things get colder does time slow down as well (since everything tends to start moving slower)?
russ_watters answered your question. However, if you want classical physics, then that would be the case. Quantum mechanics says otherwise.
DLuckyE said:
I assume temperature also affects atomic clocks and such?
Temperature changes do affect atomic clocks. My physics teacher's daughter wrote a paper on it and atomic clocks on satellites had to be adjusted for the errors.
DLuckyE said:
So if there's no relation, then what is time?
Who knows? That is one of the big questions in philosophy. But if you are looking for a physical or mathematical explanation of time, asking an expert should set you on the right track.
 
DLuckyE said:
I probably should have phrased it differently, how do you determine the speed of time? Isn't the only way to look at the speed of physical processes?
Yes, which is why clocks use physical processes that are not affected by temperature.
 
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ZharAngel said:
Temperature changes do affect atomic clocks. My physics teacher's daughter wrote a paper on it and atomic clocks on satellites had to be adjusted for the errors.
Just to clarify - temperature changes tend to affect the operation of machines, but that doesn't mean there is a temperature-time relationship. Different physical processes are affected differently and some not at all.

It's a bit like saying that temperature affects length. While objects expand and contract with temperature, the concept of length does not. Still, it means the prototype meter is kept in a temperature controlled environment.
 
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Hmmmm,

What if we had a drink with an ice cube in it here on earth, and at the same time someone else was enjoying the same drink near a massive object, would the ice cube melt quicker here on earth?
 
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gareth said:
Hmmmm,

What if we had a drink with an ice cube in it here on earth, and at the same time someone else was enjoying the same drink near a massive object, would the ice cube melt quicker here on earth?

Depends on who is observing and judging this.
 
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Time does flow slower in the gravitational field of a massive object.
 

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