Time to take for water to cool down.

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The discussion revolves around the cooling of water in a well-insulated cylindrical cup. The original poster presents a scenario involving 0.336 kg of water at an initial temperature of 84°C, which is cooling to 46°C in an ambient temperature of 25°C. The problem includes specific heat capacity and U-value parameters, prompting a calculation of cooling time.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to apply a formula derived from their textbook to calculate the cooling time, but encounters a negative result, indicating a potential error in their approach. Other participants suggest reviewing Newton's Law of Cooling and clarify the logarithmic base needed for the calculation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights into the correct application of logarithms and the relevance of Newton's Law of Cooling. There is an ongoing exploration of the original poster's calculations and assumptions, but no consensus has been reached regarding the final approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of using the natural logarithm in the calculations and discuss the implications of the logarithmic argument being less than one, which affects the outcome of the cooling time calculation.

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My question refers to the cooling of water in a well-insulated , cylindrical cup that is opened at the top.

0.336Kg of water at 84degCel is poured into the cup which is left to stand on a table at an ambient temperature of 25degCel. The specific heat capacity of water is 4150 J Kg^-1 K^-1 and the U-value is 10.64Wm^-2K^-1. The area of the water surface that is exposed to the surroundings air is 0.00447 m^2.

So, how to calculate the time taken in seconds for the water to cool down to 46degCel?

This is what I have done so far...

Let x = (U-value)(Surface Area)/(mass)(Heat Capacity)
Let y1 = 46DegCel (cool down temp)
Let y2 = 84DegCel (Water temp)
Let y3 = 25DegCel (Ambient tempt)
Taking time to be T, so...

T = -1/x log (y1-y3)/(y2-y3)
= -13153 (sec)

I got negative, so my guess something is wrong here. The formula is from my book. Need help...
 
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Have you studied Newtons Law of Cooling?
 
I saw the mistake...it's suppose to be log base e thus the negative is canceled out. Btw, you I've studied Newton's Law
 
dzkl said:
My question refers to the cooling of water in a well-insulated , cylindrical cup that is opened at the top.

0.336Kg of water at 84degCel is poured into the cup which is left to stand on a table at an ambient temperature of 25degCel. The specific heat capacity of water is 4150 J Kg^-1 K^-1 and the U-value is 10.64Wm^-2K^-1. The area of the water surface that is exposed to the surroundings air is 0.00447 m^2.

So, how to calculate the time taken in seconds for the water to cool down to 46degCel?

This is what I have done so far...

Let x = (U-value)(Surface Area)/(mass)(Heat Capacity)
Let y1 = 46DegCel (cool down temp)
Let y2 = 84DegCel (Water temp)
Let y3 = 25DegCel (Ambient tempt)
Taking time to be T, so...

T = -1/x log (y1-y3)/(y2-y3)
= -13153 (sec)

I got negative, so my guess something is wrong here. The formula is from my book. Need help...

Couple of things. First, the log should be the natural logarithm, loge not log10. Second, your argument for the log is less than one, so it should yield a negative value that is subsequently dealt with bu the "-" in front of 1/x.
 
dzkl said:
I saw the mistake...it's suppose to be log base e thus the negative is canceled out. Btw, you I've studied Newton's Law

sorry i wasnt able see Newtons law of cooling equation. You have written it in such a way that i thought you have written some other thing. I saw it now
 

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