To find the density of a material of the body using moments

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The discussion centers on calculating the density of an object X using moments in a balanced rod system, both in air and when immersed in water. The initial calculations and reasoning led to confusion regarding the correct formula for density, with several options provided. After reviewing the equations and correcting a mistake in the manipulation of terms, the correct density formula was identified as [L1/(L1-L2)]d. The final conclusion confirmed that answer option 1 is correct, resolving the initial uncertainty. This highlights the importance of careful algebraic manipulation in physics problems.
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Homework Statement


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Fig.A shows the balanced position of a light rod carrying an object X and a mass M .
Fig.B shows the balanced position of the same system when X is immersed in water.If the density of water is d,the density of the material made of X is given by,
1) [L[SUB]1[/SUB]/(L[SUB]1[/SUB]-L[SUB]2[/SUB])]d 2) (L[SUB]1[/SUB]/L[SUB]2[/SUB])d 3) [L[SUB]1[/SUB]/L[SUB]1[/SUB]+L[SUB]2[/SUB]]d 4) [(L[SUB]1[/SUB]-L[SUB]2[/SUB])/L1]d 5) (L[SUB]2[/SUB]/L[SUB]1[/SUB]) d

[h2]Homework Equations[/h2]
[h2]The Attempt at a Solution[/h2]
Taking moments about the pivot,
for A
mg*l = Mg*L[SUB]1[/SUB]
m=ML[SUB]1[/SUB]/l m=mass of X

for B
Mg*L[SUB]2[/SUB] = m[SUB]1[/SUB]g*l
m[SUB]1[/SUB]= ML[SUB]2[/SUB]/l m[SUB]1[/SUB]g = apparent weight of X in water

density of X= (real weight/apparent loss of weight in water) d
=(m/m-m[SUB]1[/SUB])*d
=(1-m/m[SUB]1[/SUB])d
=(1-L[SUB]1[/SUB]/L[SUB]2[/SUB])*d
gives me( L[SUB]2[/SUB]-L[SUB]1[/SUB]/L[SUB]2[/SUB])*d, which is not even among the choices given.
I can't figure out where I'm going wrong.
 
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Hi leena19,

leena19 said:

Homework Statement


"[URL=http://img193.imageshack.us/my.php?image=63378846.png[/URL]
Fig.A shows the balanced position of a light rod carrying an object X and a mass M .
Fig.B shows the balanced position of the same system when X is immersed in water.If the density of water is d,the density of the material made of X is given by,
1) [L[SUB]1[/SUB]/(L[SUB]1[/SUB]-L[SUB]2[/SUB])]d 2) (L[SUB]1[/SUB]/L[SUB]2[/SUB])d 3) [L[SUB]1[/SUB]/L[SUB]1[/SUB]+L[SUB]2[/SUB]]d 4) [(L[SUB]1[/SUB]-L[SUB]2[/SUB])/L1]d 5) (L[SUB]2[/SUB]/L[SUB]1[/SUB]) d

[h2]Homework Equations[/h2]



[h2]The Attempt at a Solution[/h2]
Taking moments about the pivot,
for A
mg*l = Mg*L[SUB]1[/SUB]
m=ML[SUB]1[/SUB]/l m=mass of X

for B
Mg*L[SUB]2[/SUB] = m[SUB]1[/SUB]g*l
m[SUB]1[/SUB]= ML[SUB]2[/SUB]/l m[SUB]1[/SUB]g = apparent weight of X in water

density of X= (real weight/apparent loss of weight in water) d
=(m/m-m[SUB]1[/SUB])*d
=(1-m/m[SUB]1[/SUB])d[/quote]

I have not looked over all of your work, but it looks like these last two lines are saying that:

[tex]
\left(\frac{m}{m-m_1}\right) \to \left(1-\frac{m}{m_1}\right)
[/tex]

which is not true.
 
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Thanks for replying!
alphysicist said:
I have not looked over all of your work, but it looks like these last two lines are saying that:

<br /> \left(\frac{m}{m-m_1}\right) \to \left(1-\frac{m}{m_1}\right)<br />

which is not true.

Oops!
after correcting it ,I get
[L1/(L1-L2)]d which would be answer no.1,hopefully?


EDIT:
The answer is (1).
Thank you very much for the help!
 
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