Question: Can a boosted frame remove unwanted terms from a transformed metric?

In summary, the conversation discusses the form of the Einstein tensor and the use of a transformation to diagonalize it. There is a question about whether the transformed tensor will still be equal to the original tensor. There is also a discussion about the possibility of changing an unphysical metric to a physical one with a coordinate transformation. Ultimately, it is determined that the proposed transformation is not possible and a different approach is needed.
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Mentz114
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A certain metric gives an Einstein tensor that has the form below. The coordinate labelling is
[itex]x^0=t,\ x^1=r,\ x^2=\theta,\ x^3=\phi[/itex]
[tex]
G_{\mu\nu}= \left[ \begin{array}{cccc}
A & B & 0 & 0\\
B & p1 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & p2 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & p3
\end{array} \right]
[/tex]
where [itex]A,B,C,p1,p2,p3[/itex] are functions of t and r. A transformation [itex]\Lambda[/itex] so [itex]\Lambda^\mu_\rho\ \Lambda^\nu_\sigma\ G_{\mu\nu}[/itex] is diagonal is easily found,
[tex]
\Lambda^\mu_\rho=\left[ \begin{array}{cccc}
1 & -\frac{B}{p1} & 0 & 0\\
0 & 1 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 1
\end{array} \right]
[/tex]
This seems to be transforming [itex]t[/itex] into [itex]T=t-h\ r[/itex] where [itex]h=B/p1[/itex]. This can be used to give the differential transformation
[tex]
dT=dt -hdr-rdh=dt-hdr-r(\partial_t h\ dt + \partial_r h\ dr)
[/tex]
so we can find [itex]dt^2[/itex] and substitute into the original metric to get a transformed one written in coordinates [itex]T,r,\theta,\phi[/itex].

Question: will the Einstein tensor obtained from the transformed metric be [itex]\Lambda^\mu_\rho\ \Lambda^\nu_\sigma\ G_{\mu\nu}[/itex] ?

I think it will be but I haven't convinced myself.
 
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Mentz114 said:
Question: will the Einstein tensor obtained from the transformed metric be [itex]\Lambda^\mu_\rho\ \Lambda^\nu_\sigma\ G_{\mu\nu}[/itex] ?

Isn't this true regardless of the specifics of the problem, just because that's how a rank-2 tensor transforms?
 
  • #3
bcrowell said:
Isn't this true regardless of the specifics of the problem, just because that's how a rank-2 tensor transforms?
That is what I think - but I have some doubts.

It would be true if [itex]\Lambda[/itex] were a frame field, i.e. a transformation from the coordinate basis to a frame basis - but it's not.

In the untransformed Einstein tensor, the terms I've called [itex]p1[/itex] etc do come out as isotropic pressure, i.e. [itex]p1=Pg_{11}[/itex], with the same P in all three. So if the off-diagonal terms were absent, it might be a static perfect fluid with pressure. Can one change an unphysical metric to a physical one with a coordinate transformation ? It seems too easy.
 
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I could be all wet here, but it looks like your lambda is impossible as a coordinate transform. I think the (0,0) component being 1 is saying you must have T=t + f(r). Your solution would then be possible if B and p1 depended only on r. But you've said they depend on r and t. Contradiction.
 
  • #5
PAllen said:
I could be all wet here, but it looks like your lambda is impossible as a coordinate transform. I think the (0,0) component being 1 is saying you must have T=t + f(r). Your solution would then be possible if B and p1 depended only on r. But you've said they depend on r and t. Contradiction.

I think you're right. It's a bust.

But I have found a boosted frame that removes the unwanted terms, which is what I should have done in the first place.
 
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