Transformer Efficiency Problems

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The discussion centers on a friend's transformer design, which was expected to have higher efficiency and better voltage regulation than a standard transformer. Test results showed that the special transformer had an input power of 130W and an output power of 96.7W, leading to an efficiency of about 74.38%, contrary to the expected 90%. Participants noted a misunderstanding between volt-amperes (VA) and watts (W), suggesting that the input complex power (Sin) should account for magnetizing VA. The complexity of transformer design and the need for accurate calculations of real and reactive power were emphasized. The conversation concluded with a recommendation for further reading to clarify these concepts.
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Hello,

My friend designs a special transformer, believing that its efficiency will rise and voltage regulation will fall compared to an ordinary one . He did a test with the same resistive load and got results below:

T1(ordinary) Vp=220V 50Hz AC Vs(nl) = 99.8V Vs(fl) = 92.8V Pin = 129W Pout =92.8W
T2(special) Vp=220V 50Hz AC Vs(nl) = 99.8V Vs(fl) = 96.7V Pin = 130W Pout = 96.7W

where:
Vp: Primary voltage
Vs: Secondary voltage
Pin: Input power from a 220V source. (household outlet)
Pout: Output power at a load
All voltages are in RMS

He expected that the input complex power(Sin) of the special transformer should be 100VA with an efficiency of 90%.
However, the Sin is actually 130VA and the efficiency is about 74.38%. What is the cause of this event?

Thank you
BlackMelon
 
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BlackMelon said:
What is the cause of this event?
A question well stated is half answered.
You're asking us to guess .
Okay -
Excerpting from your post -
BlackMelon said:
He expected that the input complex power(Sin) of the special transformer should be 100VA...
Pin = 130W... However, the Sin is actually 130VA
Sin and Pin should differ by magnetizing VA. So,
My guess is somebody doesn't know the difference between a volt-amp and a watt.

I cannot can figure out your riddle from what you've given us.
 
Hardy, I agree with you. The current source should supply core loss resistance with a real power, magnetizing inductance with a reactive power, and a leakage inductance with a reactive power also. I mean even without a resistive load, there should be both real and reactive.

The experiment of my friend is strange. The 130VA of a voltage source is purely from a wattage. I ask him twice before posting this.

Also,Neumaier, thank you for the information. I will tell my friend to read this carefully.
 
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