Transient and subtransient reactance of alternators

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of transient and subtransient reactance in synchronous machines, particularly in the context of generator fault currents. Participants seek to clarify these concepts and their implications in electrical systems.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests an explanation of transient and subtransient reactance, indicating a need for a simplified understanding.
  • Another participant references Fortescu's analysis of three-phase machines, suggesting it aids in mathematical representation but does not directly address the initial query.
  • A participant mentions the relationship between induced currents in damper and field windings and the division into transient and subtransient periods.
  • Discussion includes the definition of generator fault current in terms of subtransient, transient, and synchronous currents, with an emphasis on the time periods during the decay of AC current.
  • There is a question about flux variation during the transient state and steady state, indicating a need for clarification on this aspect.
  • A participant asserts that emf without flux variation is impossible, prompting a request for further explanation.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and seek clarification on specific aspects of transient and subtransient reactance. There is no clear consensus on the explanations provided, and multiple viewpoints are present regarding the concepts discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference external sources and examples, but the discussion remains focused on clarifying the core concepts without resolving all uncertainties or assumptions related to the definitions and implications of transient and subtransient reactance.

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please explain the transient and subtransient reactance of synchronous machines
 
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I assume you're referring to Fortescu's analysis of 3 phase machines. Its a mathematical representation of 3 phase systems that makes analysis easier in some respects. There are other, more experienced members on this forum who could answer your question better.

As an example, I think the Buccholz relay in transformers measures negative sequence currents within a range to raise alarms. This is only possible because we can measure the negative sequence current accurately. Practically it is useful, so we translate the known quantities to better understand the system. Another example is that zero sequence current interfers with communication lines. Thus, we can attribute that interference to a particular component of electrical power. Sorry if this doesn't help.
 
oops...that was not what i was looking for...anyways thanks for the info..in fact i hope to get a very down to Earth and easy to understand explanation on the said topic ie transient and sub transient reactance of alternators...
 
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arun babu said:
oops...that was not what i was looking for...anyways thanks for the info..in fact i hope to get a very down to Earth and easy to understand explanation on the said topic ie transient and sub transient reactance of alternators...

Well, you need to start by telling us what you know so far, and what sources of information you have used.
 
berkeman said:
Well, you need to start by telling us what you know so far, and what sources of information you have used.
i have learned that it is concerned with the induced current in damper winding and field winding of synchronous machines..which is divided into transient period and sub transient periods
 
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Generator fault current is normally discussed in terms of “subtransient,” “transient,” and “synchronous” currents and impedances. These terms refer to various time periods during the decay of the AC component of current. Attached Figure plots the envelope of the AC current for a typical machine. The subtransient current, reactance and related time constant defines the AC current component from the inception of the fault and the following cycle or two. This is the maximum available AC short-circuit current from the generator. Synchronous quantities define the final or steady-state current. The transient parameters define the interim current.:rolleyes:

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thank you m.s.j. could you please explain how generator fault current arises?
 
is there any kind of flux variation during the transient state n in the final steady state ??
 
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Any emf without flux variation is impossible. Please more explain.

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