Transit of newly discovered exoplanet of Proxima centuri

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The discussion centers around the newly discovered exoplanet Proxima Cen b, specifically focusing on the potential for determining its size through transit observations in front of its host star, Proxima Centuri. Participants explore the geometric probabilities of such transits occurring and the implications for future observations and missions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention that the chance of Proxima Cen b transiting in front of Proxima Centuri is only 1.5%, and inquire about the reasoning behind this probability and its calculation.
  • One participant explains that the planet's distance from the star, combined with the need for the orbital plane to be nearly parallel to our line of sight, affects the likelihood of observing a transit.
  • Another participant suggests that a proper integral over the sky can be used to calculate the fraction of the sky that can observe a transit based on the sizes of the star and planet relative to the orbital radius.
  • Some participants propose sending a probe to the exoplanet at 10% of the speed of light as a potential means to gather more information by around 2060.
  • There is mention of the upcoming Extremely Large Telescope (E-ELT) expected to take direct images of the exoplanet in approximately 2025, with details on its capabilities in resolving contrasts and angular separations.
  • One participant humorously adds a conditional statement about the probe scenario, implying that even with advancements, uncertainties remain about the outcomes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility of observing transits and the potential for future missions, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the implications of the current understanding.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the geometric factors influencing transit probabilities and the limitations of current observational technology, but do not resolve the mathematical details or assumptions involved in these calculations.

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In descriptions of the newly discovered exoplanet, named Proxima Cen b, orbiting Proxima Centuri, it is mentioned that a determination of its size could be established by observing the planet’s transit in front of Proxima centuri, which would reveal the exoplanet’s diameter. It is my understanding that, to date, such projects have failed. I have also read that such projects are “expected” to fail, since geometrically speaking, there is only a 1.5% chance that Proxima Cen b passes across the face of Proxima. Why is is? And how is 1.5% calculated.
 
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The planet is far away from the star (compared to the stellar radius). Space is three-dimensional - the orbital plane has to be nearly parallel to our line of sight in order to have the planet in front of the star once per orbit. Where "nearly parallel" is the size of the star divided by the orbital radius of the planet: The closer the planet to the star, the less precise the alignment has to be.

If you do a proper integral over the whole sky, you can calculate that a fraction of (radius of star + radius of planet)/(orbital radius) of the sky can see a transit.
 
Than you so much for responding to my query and providing such a clear answer.
 
If we sent a probe that way at 10% of the speed of light, by about 2060 we'd have all the answers.
 
Or we wait until E-ELT takes a direct picture in ~2025. The maximal angular separation is 0.04 arcseconds, contrast should be something like 1 in a million. In the range of EPICS, which can resolve 1 in 1 million contrasts down to 0.033 arcseconds, or 0.04 arcsecond separation up to a contrast of 1 in 1 billion.
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lifeonmercury said:
If we sent a probe that way at 10% of the speed of light, by about 2060 we'd have all the answers.

And if he had some ham we'd have ham and eggs, if we had some eggs.

This is 4000x faster than any space probe built.
 

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