Transmit Digital Signal using Analog Modulation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the feasibility of transmitting digital signals using analog modulation techniques, specifically focusing on whether methods like Frequency Modulation (FM) or Amplitude Modulation (AM) can be employed for digital signal transmission. Participants explore various modulation schemes, including Amplitude Shift Keying (ASK), Frequency Shift Keying (FSK), and Phase Shift Keying (PSK), and their implications for bandwidth and signal integrity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that digital signals can be transmitted using any modulation scheme, including FM and AM.
  • One participant questions the necessity of FSK if FM can be used, indicating confusion about the relationship between different modulation techniques.
  • Another participant explains that FSK is an efficient application of FM, though using FM directly may lead to bandwidth wastage.
  • There is a distinction made between Amplitude Shift Modulation (AFK) and Frequency Shift Modulation (FSK), with a participant favoring FSK for its simplicity and noise resilience.
  • AFSK is mentioned as a method used in original telephone modems, where audio frequencies are shifted similarly to FSK.
  • One participant discusses the nature of transmitted signals, emphasizing that all transmitted signals are analog and that using square waves is impractical in real-world applications.
  • Concerns are raised about the efficiency of power and spectrum usage when transmitting digital signals using AM or FM, with suggestions that low-pass filtering can help in modulation.
  • There is a mention of phase modulation and its relationship to frequency modulation, with a participant suggesting that phase modulation can be achieved through specific signal processing techniques.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the use of analog modulation for digital signals, with no clear consensus on the best approach or the necessity of different modulation techniques. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal methods for transmitting digital signals using analog modulation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to bandwidth efficiency, power consumption, and the practical challenges of restoring data at the receiving end. There are also unresolved questions about the definitions and applications of various modulation techniques.

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Hello,

I know that you send digital signals using ASK, FSK, PSK modulation. I was wondering though if it was possible to send that same digital signal using FM or AM modulation?

If not, I was wondering if anybody knew of any popular ASK or FSK modulation IC's?

Thanks!
 
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Yes you can send a digital signal by any modulation scheme you like.
Analog modems (at least the old 9600baud ones) are purely AM and regular FM radio includes a digital data channel for traffic reports
 
Thank you for your reply. This makes things even more confusing now though. Why is there such a thing called FSK if you can just use FM modulation then?
 
FSK is a very efficient way of using FM, you could simply play a 300baud serial signal through an FM radio but you waste a lot more bandwidth
 
AFK is AM and FSK is FM.

Since you're transmitting binary, there are two levels in either case. So, it's Amplitude Shift Modulation (shift between two levels) or Frequency Shift Modulation (shift between two frequencies).

As for phase shift modulation, I've only seen it used for digital and it get pretty complicated.

Of the various techniques, FSK is my favorite. It's simple and handles noise well. In any of the cases, there are issues restoring the data on the other end. So, you're better off using someone else's modules.

You can find modules at DigiKey, or check out microchip.com for FSK chips.

Good Luck, Mike
 
There is also AFSK which is technically what the original telephone modems were. Two audio frequencies are picked and they are shifted back and forth similar to FSK. This audio signal is then sent down a phone line, or sent into the modulator of your choice. It could be AM or FM.
 
You should realize that any transmitted signal is, in fact, an analog signal. Some property of a real e.m. wave is being varied - rather than 'switched' ,which takes up far too much bandwidth.. The square 'box-car' waves which you see in all the books seldom exist in practice. If you can transmit a nice looking waveform like that in your available channel space then you are seriously wasting good spectrum space.
'Real' digitally modulated signals are very 'rounded off' and the symbols all interfere with each other in an alarming way.
You can just A.M. a transmitter with a low pass filtered binary (or N'ary) signal and it can be received and decoded very easily. The only snag is that it is rather wasteful of power and spectrum space.
Likewise, an FM transmitter can be fed with a similar signal and moduated with a low modulation index.
I was interested to read the comment above that phase modulation is difficult. If you take a frequency modulator and feed it with a differentiated version of the data waveform then you have phase modulation. Indeed, broadcast 'FM' is effectively PM, actually because of the pre-emphasis which is performed on the signal prior to modulation.
Of course, to get the best out of a channel, you wouldn't do your PM (which is what your PSK signal really is) in that way but it can still be done if you have plenty of channel space and carrier strength.
 

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