Trapezoidal motion/kinematics calculations - solving for slewing velocity

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The discussion revolves around calculating the peak velocity in trapezoidal motion profiles for motion control devices. Participants explore how to isolate the peak velocity from a given equation while considering parameters such as distance, time, acceleration, and initial and final velocities.

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  • One participant describes the need to define peak velocity given other parameters in trapezoidal motion, including distance, time, acceleration, and initial and final velocities.
  • Another participant notes that the equation provided is quadratic in form with respect to peak velocity and suggests using the quadratic formula to isolate it.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the notation used in the quadratic form and seeks clarification on the variables involved.
  • One participant requests further assistance with factoring the equation to isolate peak velocity, indicating difficulty in the mathematical process.

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Participants generally agree on the quadratic nature of the equation concerning peak velocity, but there is no consensus on the specific steps to isolate it or resolve the factoring challenges.

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Participants mention difficulties with mathematical steps, including factoring and isolating variables, but do not resolve these issues within the discussion.

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I am trying to program some motion control devices which have trapezoidal motion profiles to define a move. I can define the slewing(peak) velocity, accel/decel rates and distance to travel, the the hardware moves a motor the appropriate distance with the parameters given.

I need to be able to define a specific amount of time that a move will last, and calculate what the peak velocity should be when all other factors are known. Starting velocity is not always zero, but ending velocity will always zero for my purposes. The move will always be trapezoidal.

I have an equation for defining the distance traveled when all other factors are known, but I need to isolate the peak velocity to one side of the equation and I am not sharp enough at this math to be able to solve for the peak velocity. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Assuming:
d = total distance traveled
t = total time
AC = acceleration
DC = deceleration
Vi = initial velocity
Vs = slewing (peak) velocity
Vf = final velocity

I have this equation which I believe is correct. I need to isolate Vs to one side:

d = [(Vs+Vi)/2]*[(Vs-Vi)/AC] + [(Vs+Vf)/2]*[(Vf-Fs)/DC] + Vs*[t-((Vf-Vs)/DC)-((Vs-Vi)/AC)]

I hope that's clear enough to read... If not I attached a JPG of the equation written out by hand.
 

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Since Vs appears in two factors of both the first and third terms, that equation is quadratic in Vs. Multiply everything out, determine the coefficients of V_x^2 and V_s, and use the quadratic formula.
 
Thanks for that... I'll give it a try. Am I correct that the x in Vx^2 you mentioned is supposed to be an "s" ? It's been a long time since I've done this kind of math so if I'm not entirely sure I'll get this right... if anyone has some more specific tips I'd love to hear them.

Lars
 
I am having a lot of trouble factoring the equation once I get it in quadratic form, so I can isolate Vs. Can anyone help? If someone can solve this for Vs or give me more help getting started I'd really appreciate it.

Lars
 

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