Tricky trig integral (calc 1/2 level)

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the function sin³(x)cos⁵(x) and the differing solutions obtained by participants. The scope includes calculus techniques, integration methods, and the verification of antiderivatives.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their solution to the integral and notes a discrepancy between their answer and the book's answer, leading to confusion about the correctness of their approach.
  • Another participant suggests a different method of integration, proposing a substitution that simplifies the integral.
  • A participant questions the meaning of "not equivalent" and reminds others that valid antiderivatives can differ by a constant, implying that the solutions may still be correct despite differences.
  • One participant acknowledges a simplification in their approach and discovers that their solution has a constant difference from the book's solution, suggesting that their method was indeed correct.
  • Another participant discusses the notation of differentials and its relation to integration techniques, indicating a learning moment regarding u-substitution.
  • Further exploration of alternative methods for solving the integral is presented, demonstrating the variety of approaches available.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants initially disagree on the equivalence of their solutions, but later some reach an understanding that the differences may be due to a constant. The discussion remains open regarding the best method for solving the integral.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the integration methods and the dependence on the definitions of the functions involved. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with integration techniques and notation.

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Students and learners of calculus, particularly those interested in integration techniques and resolving discrepancies in mathematical solutions.

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Hello,

I am an incoming EE freshman who completed Calculus BC one year ago and Multivariable Calculus last Fall. Right now I'm doing a self-study going over basic calculus again in one of my review books.

Here is my problem:
\int sin^3(x)cos^5(x) dx

and I solved it, with an answer my graphing calculator showed to be non-equivalent to the book answer:

= \int sin(x)(\frac{1-cos(2x)}{2})(\frac{1+cos(2x)}{2})^2cos(x) dx

(expanding terms) = \int sin(x)cos(x)(\frac{1+cos(2x)-cos^2(2x)-cos^3(2x)}{8}) dx

using sin(2x) = 2sin(x)cos(x), I integrated:

\frac{1}{8} \int \frac{sin(2x)}{2} + \frac{sin(2x)}{2}cos(2x) - \frac{sin(2x)}{2}cos^2(2x) - \frac{sin(2x)}{2}cos^3(2x) dx

u = 2x, du = 2dx
u = sin(2x), du = 2cos(2x)dx
u = cos(2x), du = -2sin(2x)dx

My solution = (1/16)sin^2(2x) - (1/32)cos(2x) + (1/24)cos^3(2x) + (1/32)cos^4(2x) + C

Their solution = -(1/6)cos^6(x) + (1/8)cos^8(x) + C

Like I said I graphed the solutions on my TI89 and they are not equivalent. What is also very difficult for me to understand is that I graphed my expansion of the integral vs the original integral, showing them to be equal. I then used the integration function to graph the integrals of the original and my expansion and they were shown to be different!

If there is an easier way to do that problem I would love to see it but I would also like to understand what if anything is wrong with my approach. Thank you!
 
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\int \sin^3 x \cos^5 x {}dx =\int \sin^3 x \cos^4 x {}\cos x {} dx =\int \sin^3 x \left(1-\sin^2 x\right)^2 d\sin x

can you carry on from here ?
 
What do you mean by "not equivalent"?

DO remember that valid antiderivatives can differ by a constant.

So, if your anti-derivative is a parallell curve to the one TI-89 spat out, you have done it right after all.
 
dexter: I don't know why that didn't come to mind it is much simpler! (of course though you mean the last term to be cosx). thank you

and arildno: I had just looked at the table of values instead of the graph, and actually both solutions have a constant difference of 1/48 so it is actually correct.

thanks! problem solved
 
The last term is the differential one form d\sin x which is nothing but the element of intergration.
 
Alternatively, \int \sin^3 x \cos^5 x dx = \int \sin x \sin^2 x \cos^5 x dx = \int (\cos^5 x - \cos^7 x) \sin x dx
 
dextercioby said:
The last term is the differential one form d\sin x which is nothing but the element of intergration.

I am new to that notation. I suppose that would be the same as leaving dsinx as cosx and integrating with u-substitution?
 
curiousbeaver said:
I am new to that notation. I suppose that would be the same as leaving dsinx as cosx and integrating with u-substitution?

It would be the same as d(sin x)= cos x dx.
 

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