Trying to build a miniature binary geothermal plant for education

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the construction of a miniature binary geothermal power plant intended for educational purposes. Participants explore design principles, technical challenges, and potential methods for demonstrating geothermal energy concepts without actual drilling.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines their goal to create a desk-sized binary geothermal power plant, including specific components like turbines and heat exchangers.
  • Another participant inquires about the cooling reservoir, prompting further discussion on design choices.
  • A suggestion is made to use a hyperbolic water cooling tower, although the participant expresses uncertainty about the overall design due to their background in chemistry.
  • One participant draws a parallel to the pop-pop boat, describing its operation and suggesting it as a simpler alternative for demonstrating similar principles.
  • A later reply raises concerns about the scalability of the hyperbolic cooling tower, suggesting that it may not effectively generate the necessary air currents at a smaller scale.
  • Another participant acknowledges the potential of the pop-pop boat as an easier demonstration and expresses appreciation for learning about it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of enthusiasm and skepticism regarding the feasibility of the proposed geothermal plant design. While some suggest simpler alternatives like the pop-pop boat, there is no consensus on the best approach or the effectiveness of the cooling tower.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions about the scalability of designs and the effectiveness of different cooling methods, but these remain unresolved. The discussion reflects a range of expertise and perspectives, particularly between engineering and chemistry backgrounds.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to educators, students in STEM fields, hobbyists in engineering and physics, and anyone exploring practical applications of geothermal energy concepts.

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I am trying to build a miniature (it should fit on a desk) binary geothermal power plant for educational purposes. I obviously do not expect to drill into the ground with this power plant, but I hope to be able to demonstrate new design principles with it.
I have many questions as to how to do this. What size of piping do I use? How do I know what size turbine is appropriate for this use? How do I get vaporizing water to spin a turbine? etc...
In the end, I aim to place a part of this miniature plant on a hot plate to simulate subterranean heat, watch in real time as the water is vaporized to spin a turbine, use heat exchangers to have the same hot water vaporize a volatile fluid to spin another turbine, have the volatile fluid recondensed via evaporative cooling, and then have the original hot water returned to a reservoir.
I think that this will prove to be a great educational tool, but I need help in doing calculations for it and other design implementations.
 
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Sounds like a fun and educational project. :smile:

What are you going to use for your cool reservoir?
 
I am thinking of simply constructing a hyperbolic water cooling tower (at least I know how to do that). The rest of the design - I am much less certain of as I am a chemist by education, but I think that this would be really great if this could be built.
 
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Reminds me of the put-put ( pop-pop ) boat which works ( like a geyser ) by heating the water in the chamber to steam which then exits the tube due to the increase in volume. Water then flows back into the chamber and the cycle starts again. Placing the tube(s) vertical and one could conceive and jerry rig some kind of geyser as long as you have some way of water to flow back into the chamber.
Just a thought.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_pop_boat
 
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Wow. The ambition is staggering. You must have great mechanical skills to machine those things on such a small scale.

But no matter the skills, some things don't scale down well. The hyperbolic cooling tower is one such thing. I don't believe that a small one could generate the air currents necessary to make it really cool.

That pop pop boat suggested by @256bits is no joke. It would be much easier and faster to build and the students might find the physics easier to understand than turbines and cooling towers. You might consider something simpler like that as a pilot project.
 
We do have a sizable machine shop that could be used to create such a device. I suppose that the pop boats would probably be an easier demonstration of the principles, though. I never knew that these even existed! They are simple but amazing. Thank you all.
 
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