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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function y = x^8 / (8(1-x^2)^4). Participants express uncertainty about their calculations and the correctness of their algebraic manipulations.

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  • Participants calculate derivatives for both the numerator and denominator, but question the accuracy of their results. There is a focus on identifying errors in algebraic expansions and simplifications.

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Some participants have pointed out specific mistakes in the algebraic manipulations, particularly regarding the expansion of (1-x^2)^4. Suggestions have been made to factor common terms in the numerator instead of expanding them.

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There are indications that participants may benefit from revisiting foundational algebra concepts to better support their calculus studies.

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Homework Statement


Hi, I'm trying to find the derivative of a specific equation and I feel like I messed up somewhere but can't figure out exactly what.

Homework Equations


##y = \frac{x^8}{8(1-x^2)^4}##

The Attempt at a Solution


First I calculated the derivatives for the denominator and numerator:
##\frac{\mathrm d}{\mathrm d x} \big( x^8 \big) = 8x^7##

##\frac{\mathrm d}{\mathrm d x} \big( 8(1-x^2)^4 \big) = 32(1-x^2)^3(-2x)##

Then the actual attempt at solving:
##\frac{\mathrm d}{\mathrm d x} \big( \frac{x^8}{8(1-x^2)^4} \big) = \frac{8(1-x^2)^48x^7-x^832(1-x^2)^3(-2x)}{[8(1-x^2)^4]^2}##

##\frac{8(1-x^8)8x^7-x^832(1-x^6)(-2x)}{[8(1-x^8)]^2} = \frac{8(1-x^8)8x^7-x^832(1-x^6)(-2x)}{(8-8x^8)^2 = 64-128x^8+64x^{16}}##

##\frac{8(1-x^8)8x^7-x^832(1-x^6)(-2x)}{64-128x^8+64x^{16}}##
 
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##(1-x^2)^4## is not equal to ##1-x^8##
 
Mootjeuh said:

Homework Statement


Hi, I'm trying to find the derivative of a specific equation and I feel like I messed up somewhere but can't figure out exactly what.

Homework Equations


##y = \frac{x^8}{8(1-x^2)^4}##

The Attempt at a Solution


First I calculated the derivatives for the denominator and numerator:
##\frac{\mathrm d}{\mathrm d x} \big( x^8 \big) = 8x^7##

##\frac{\mathrm d}{\mathrm d x} \big( 8(1-x^2)^4 \big) = 32(1-x^2)^3(-2x)##

Then the actual attempt at solving:
##\frac{\mathrm d}{\mathrm d x} \big( \frac{x^8}{8(1-x^2)^4} \big) = \frac{8(1-x^2)^48x^7-x^832(1-x^2)^3(-2x)}{[8(1-x^2)^4]^2}##

##\frac{8(1-x^8)8x^7-x^832(1-x^6)(-2x)}{[8(1-x^8)]^2} = \frac{8(1-x^8)8x^7-x^832(1-x^6)(-2x)}{(8-8x^8)^2 = 64-128x^8+64x^{16}}##

##\frac{8(1-x^8)8x^7-x^832(1-x^6)(-2x)}{64-128x^8+64x^{16}}##

imiuru said:
##(1-x^2)^4## is not equal to ##1-x^8##

Nor is (1 - x2)3 = 1 - x6

Your work to here looks fine:
$$\frac{8(1-x^2)^48x^7-x^832(1-x^2)^3(-2x)}{[8(1-x^2)^4]^2}$$
Expanding the (1 - x2) factors as you did is not helpful, even if you had done them correctly. Instead, find the greatest common factor of the two terms in the numerator, and factor it out of both terms. Notice that you have (1 - x2) to some power in both terms, and you have x to some power in both terms. There is also a coefficient of 64 in the first term and one of -64 in the second term.
 
Mootjeuh,
Based on the mistakes in this thread and in the other thread you posted about logs, since you are apparently studying calculus, it would be very useful for you to spend some time reviewing algebra concepts from your previous classes. If you don't have a good working knowledge of how to manipulate algebra expressions, you will have a very difficult time following explanations in your calculus class.
 

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