Trying to understand colloids microscopically and macroscopically

  • Thread starter Thread starter neu
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Colloids
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the understanding of colloids from both microscopic and macroscopic perspectives. Participants explore definitions, properties, and applications of colloids, particularly in relation to measuring microscopic effects through macroscopic methods.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines a colloid as a substance with a dispersive phase, such as finely ground gold dust, in a continuous phase like water.
  • Another suggests that colloids can be a good way to observe Brownian motion.
  • A suggestion is made to refer to undergraduate chemistry textbooks for foundational information on colloids.
  • It is noted that colloids are suspensions of nanoparticles in a liquid that do not settle out.
  • Participants discuss the size range of colloidal particles, with one stating they lie between 1 to 100 nanometers, while another proposes the upper limit could be a micron (1000 nanometers).
  • A participant mentions that colloidal solutions are translucent and demonstrate the Tyndall effect, using milk as an example of a colloidal sol.
  • One participant explains that measuring microscopic properties of colloidal systems can be challenging, but macroscopic measurements like rheology or light microscopy can provide insights into molecular behavior.
  • A participant shares their experience with measuring BTEX compounds using colloidal cadmium sulfide particles, illustrating how microscopic binding events can be measured macroscopically through fluorescence changes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various definitions and properties of colloids, indicating some level of agreement on basic concepts, but there are differing views on specific size limits and measurement techniques. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the complexities of measuring microscopic effects in colloidal systems.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the challenges in measuring microscopic properties and the dependence on specific techniques, but these limitations are not fully explored or resolved.

neu
Messages
228
Reaction score
3
I've been reading a little about this rather new subject (to me), and I'm quite confused.

I understand that a colliod is broadly dfined as a substance consisting of a dispersive phase, ie very finely ground gold dust, in a continuous phase, ie water.

I'm informed that colliods are especially important for macroscopic measurement of microscopic effects (whatever that means). Could anyone provide an insight, or a good source of information on this topic?

I apologise for the lazy post, but as you can see my knowledge is rather limited. I'm a 3rd year physics student and I've never heard of this field of study.
 
Chemistry news on Phys.org
they're probably a good way to see Brownian motion
 
There, I suggest any undergraduate book on "general" chemistry, those books usually have a few pages devoted to colloids.
 
a colloid is a suspension of nanoparticles in a liquid that doesn't settle out
 
colloidal particles lie between 1 to 100 nanometer. they can be seen only under ultra microscope
 
I believe the upper size limit is a micron (1000 nanometers).
 
a colloidal solution or a colloid is transluscent and causes the tyndell effect, an effect seen when light is dispersed through the canopy of a forest.
an example for a colloidal sol. is milk.
 
"I'm informed that colliods are especially important for macroscopic measurement of microscopic effects (whatever that means). Could anyone provide an insight, or a good source of information on this topic?"

It can prove quite difficult to measure microscopic properties of some colloidal systems, but macroscopic measurements such as rheology or light microscopy (crossed polarised light) can be used to infer molecular and sub molecular behaviour.
 
thearny said:
"I'm informed that colliods are especially important for macroscopic measurement of microscopic effects (whatever that means).

say for example one person dies, the whole world mourns.:eek:

If i am wrong please correct me
 
  • #10
neu said:
I'm informed that colliods are especially important for macroscopic measurement of microscopic effects (whatever that means). Could anyone provide an insight, or a good source of information on this topic?

The only experience I have in this field is the measurement of BTEX compounds (Benzene, Toluene, Ethylbenzene, Xylene) using colloidal cadmium sulfide particles. The unexposed particles fluoresce with a color characteristic of the band gap of the CdS particle. The fluorescence is attenuated, by quenching, when BTEX compounds are present in extremely low concentrations. Here the measurement of a microscopic binding event is measured macroscopically. These are often referred to as 'quantum dots'. Immunolabelling of these dots will cause a change in fluorescence when the antibody-modified quantum dot binds to an antigen.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 76 ·
3
Replies
76
Views
6K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
7K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
7K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
6K
  • · Replies 34 ·
2
Replies
34
Views
12K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K