Trying to understand how operational amplifiers work

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the operation of operational amplifiers (op-amps), focusing on their characteristics, internal workings, and practical applications. Participants explore theoretical aspects, circuit configurations, and the implications of ideal versus real op-amps.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the concept that no current flows into the input terminals of an op-amp, questioning how input voltage is processed without current flow.
  • Others clarify that while ideal op-amps are defined to have infinite input resistance and zero output resistance, real op-amps deviate from these ideals, with input currents ranging significantly based on technology.
  • One participant explains the feedback mechanism in a non-inverting op-amp configuration, detailing how the output voltage relates to the input voltage through a voltage divider formed by resistors.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the internal workings of op-amps, including the arrangement of transistors, can be complex and may not be necessary for basic circuit design.
  • Several participants mention the importance of understanding the assumptions behind op-amp behavior, such as the high gain leading to the assumption that the voltages at the inputs are equal under negative feedback conditions.
  • Some contributions highlight the practical aspects of using op-amps, suggesting that detailed knowledge of their internal structure is not essential for effective circuit design.
  • One participant references a document titled "Op Amps for Everyone" as a useful resource for beginners.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic principles of op-amp operation, such as high input resistance and feedback mechanisms. However, there is no consensus on the necessity of understanding the internal workings of op-amps for beginners, with some advocating for a deeper understanding while others suggest it is not required for practical applications.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the varying definitions and assumptions regarding ideal versus non-ideal op-amps, as well as the complexity of internal circuitry that may not be fully addressed in the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for electronics students, hobbyists, and anyone interested in understanding the fundamentals of operational amplifiers and their applications in circuit design.

  • #31
Thanks for all the help getting me to understand :smile:
 
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  • #32
and indeed, (one of your earlier posts posed this question) a hydraulic system CAN amplify a signal. a device called a 'pilot operated valve' will do the trick.

consider for a moment the power steering in your automobile. it amplifies the small force you apply to steering wheel into enough to turn the car's front wheels, even if car is not moving and they must be forced. test that yourself next time you go out- turn the wheel slightly while parked and listen to engine slow down as power steering pump demands power.
your car's power steering box is a hydraulic powered mechanical amplifier changing one finger-power at steering wheel into several muscleman-power at the front wheels, power supply is that belt driven pump.
That's an amplifier you can see feel and hear!
 
  • #33
jim hardy said:
and indeed, (one of your earlier posts posed this question) a hydraulic system CAN amplify a signal. a device called a 'pilot operated valve' will do the trick.

consider for a moment the power steering in your automobile. it amplifies the small force you apply to steering wheel into enough to turn the car's front wheels, even if car is not moving and they must be forced. test that yourself next time you go out- turn the wheel slightly while parked and listen to engine slow down as power steering pump demands power.
your car's power steering box is a hydraulic powered mechanical amplifier changing one finger-power at steering wheel into several muscleman-power at the front wheels, power supply is that belt driven pump.
That's an amplifier you can see feel and hear!
There is electric power steering as well, not just hydraulic. (It's what I test at work)
 
  • #34
Hi everyone. Sorry to jump in here and ask this following question..
We know that there are two types of Integrated Circuits
1. Digital ICs
2. Linear ICs
Can anyone please tell me if Operational Amplifier(Op-Amp) is a Digital IC or Linear IC? Can you tell me reasons?
 
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  • #35
The way that opamps are usually used is in a linear mode.

This means that they have many levels of input signal that will produce many levels of output signal.

A digital circuit generally has two levels of input signal (possibly 5 volts and zero volts) and the output is one of two possible levels too.

There are exceptions to this and some opamp circuits can be digital in output. For example, the Schmitt trigger circuit or the opamp used as a comparator produce just two levels of output signal.
 
  • #36
vk6kro said:
The way that opamps are usually used is in a linear mode.

This means that they have many levels of input signal that will produce many levels of output signal.

A digital circuit generally has two levels of input signal (possibly 5 volts and zero volts) and the output is one of two possible levels too.

There are exceptions to this and some opamp circuits can be digital in output. For example, the Schmitt trigger circuit or the opamp used as a comparator produce just two levels of output signal.

That means I can integrate this op-amp circuit in 'Digital Integrated Circuit' and also in 'Linear Integrated Circuit'.
 
  • #37
It is probably best not to classify these things too much.

If you had to clasify opamps then they are mostly linear.

There are always exceptions. Some digital ICs can be used as linear amplifiers, too, but that is not their normal function.
 

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