Tungsten Filament Emissivity Assistance requested

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of extrapolating the spectral radiance of a Tungsten filament from calibrated data in the UV region to longer wavelengths, particularly in the context of varying emissivity and sample dependence. Participants explore methods for fitting data and predicting values at higher wavelengths.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions having a calibrated Tungsten filament radiance source and seeks to extrapolate radiance to longer wavelengths, noting the limitations of their calibration data.
  • Another participant suggests starting with graphs of spectral normal emissivity versus wavelength and total normal emissivity versus temperature for Tungsten, asking for specific temperature and wavelength interests.
  • A participant expresses interest in predicting spectral radiance from near UV to near IR, highlighting that emissivity plots are sample dependent, which complicates fitting data for predictions.
  • One participant observes that normal emissivity appears relatively stable for wavelengths shorter than 0.8 microns but changes almost linearly from 0.8 microns to 6 microns, suggesting the use of existing data to create a graph based on textbook slopes.
  • Another participant notes the variability in experimental plots of Tungsten emissivity due to factors like surface conditions and seeks a general expression to account for sample-dependent parameters, referencing the Haynes-Rubens relation for emissivity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the predictability of emissivity and spectral radiance, with no consensus on a standard method for calculating spectral radiance at arbitrary wavelengths. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to account for sample dependence.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the dependence of emissivity on surface conditions and sample variability, as well as the limitations of their calibration data. There is uncertainty regarding the derivation of the Haynes-Rubens relation.

seycyrus
Hello,

I have a Tungsten filament radiance source that has been calibrated in the UV region and would like to extrapolate the radiance to longer wavelengths. By calibrated, I mean, a NIST plot of spectral radiance v. wavelength at a certain set of operating conditions.

I'm new to this area, so i will start off with a big "I think" and apply it to everything I write from now on :)

I have an old lamp with a more complete (larger range of wavelengths) calibration. It is fairly obvious that I cannot treat it as a simple grey body as the old report contains words like "brightness temperature" at different wavelengths. In other words, one single T won't fit all the data.

That lamp HAD spectral radiance values in my region of interest, but that lamp is now broken :) Now I must make do with the source that has a much smaller range of calibration and would like to figure out what the spectral radiance would be in my range of interest.

I came upon a paper that indicated that the emissivity had a certain wavelength dependence and then used ORIGIN to do a multi-variable nlsf. I was pretty proud of myself when I could fit the broken bulbs data set "perfectly".

I though that I might be able to do the same sort of nlsf on the bulb with the smaller set of calibration data and then use the fit to get values for the wavelengths I wanted.

But when I tested this with a subset of the broken bulbs data, it didn't work. The peak position was way off.

Anyone have any idea on how to proceed? Is there a standard way to calculate the spectral radiance of a given metal at an arbitrary wavelength (besides paying NIST to do it).

Thank you for your time
 
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I found on my heat transfer book graphs of Spectral normal emissivity vs. Wavelength and Total normal emissivity vs. Temperature for Tungsten - you can start from there. In which temperature and wavelength are you interesting ?
 
I would like to be able to predict the spectral radiance from the near UV to the near IR for a specific filament.

The literature I have found suggests that emissivity plots are very sample dependent, which is why I was thinking about fitting the data I already had, and using the results to predict the spectral values at higher wavelength.
 
by looking at the graphs it's seems that the normal emissivity doesn't change much for wavelengths shorter then about 0.8 micron and from 0.8 micron to 6 micron it changes almost linearly. if the trend is the same for every sample and only the values are different you can use your data and build a graph based on your data and the textbooks slopes.
 
GT1

Thanks for your help. My problem is that I have a few experimental plots of tungsten emissivity and they DO seem to differ in many ways. Surface conditions and such seem to be a big factor.

I was hoping to find an expression with suitable constants that would "absorb" such sample-dependent parameters.

I've found reference to a Hayens-Rubens relation that says that the emissivity should go some thing like, E = a/(lambda)^1/2 + b/(lambda) + c/(lambda)^3/2

But I'm not sure where that is derived from.
 

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