Ultracapacitor/Supercapacitor for electric vehicles

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The discussion centers around the use of ultracapacitors or supercapacitors in electric vehicles, exploring their characteristics, applications, and potential advantages compared to traditional batteries and other energy storage solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the differences between ultracapacitors and other types of capacitors, particularly in the context of electric vehicle applications.
  • One participant notes that supercapacitors are typically suited for low-current, long-life applications and questions their effectiveness for high peak current demands in vehicles.
  • Another participant mentions that supercapacitors have a higher energy density compared to regular capacitors but emphasizes that they have not seen electric vehicles powered solely by supercapacitors.
  • It is suggested that supercapacitors could be beneficial in conjunction with an internal combustion engine or for enhancing regenerative braking systems due to their quick charging capabilities.
  • A participant outlines a proposed design for a hydrogen-powered vehicle that integrates a fuel cell with supercapacitors, aiming for efficiency without using a converter before the motor driver.
  • One participant shares an article discussing various applications of supercapacitors, including their use in electric vehicles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the suitability of supercapacitors for electric vehicles, with some advocating for their use in specific configurations while others highlight limitations compared to batteries. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal application of supercapacitors in this context.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of energy density, power density, and self-discharge rates, but no consensus on the best configuration or application for supercapacitors in electric vehicles is reached. Assumptions about current requirements and efficiency are also present but not fully explored.

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Hello All,

We are trying to make an electric vehicle and we want to use ultracapasitor.
Is there anyone who has experiences and what is differences these capasitors from others?
 
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The supercaps that I'm aware of are for low-current, long life applications. Not for high peak current applications like a car. Panasonic makes some supercaps, so you could check their website. You're also not going to get the energy density out of a capacitor that you can out of storing the energy in the chemical reaction of a battery.

Have you considered using a fuel cell instead?
 
The only major difference that I'm aware of is that supercaps have a much higher energy density when compared to "regular" capacitors. If you need it for the purposes of vehicles, you'll need a supercap in excess of 2500F! I've never seen an electric vehicle powered by only a supercap. These kinds of capacitors would be best if it could get assistance from an internal combustion engine.
 
Maxwell Technologies makes some very heavy duty capacitors. They're great for huge power densities, but batteries are better for energy density. These caps also have a high self-discharge rate. I think that a car could best use these devices to take better advantage of regenerative braking. They can be charged much more quickly than batteries.
 
Yes we will use in a hydrogen car.We try to design like this

fuelcell---supercap---motordriver---motor

we don't want use a converter before motor driver because efficiency more importand for us.We want to regulate voltage after fuelcell with these supercaps
 
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I just ran across an interesting article about applications of supercaps, including electric vehicle use. Interesting:

http://powerelectronics.com/passive_components_packaging_interconnects/capacitors/power_ultracapacitor_technology_powers/?cid=top-articles
 
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