Uncertainty principle and limit of momentum.

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The discussion revolves around the implications of the uncertainty principle in the context of relativistic momentum, particularly whether momentum can exceed the classical limit set by relativistic equations. Participants explore the relationship between quantum mechanics and special relativity, questioning assumptions and interpretations of the principles involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that to solve a textbook problem related to the uncertainty principle in a relativistic context, they assumed momentum p must be less than \(\gamma mc\), where \(\gamma\) is the Lorentz factor.
  • Another participant states that in special relativity, momentum squared is equal to energy squared minus mass squared, implying that momentum must be less than energy, which is expressed as \(E = m\gamma\).
  • A different participant questions whether the uncertainty associated with momentum measurements allows for some individual measured momenta to exceed classical limits, suggesting that while the average momentum should not exceed the limit, it may not hold for all sample points.
  • One participant distinguishes between quantum field theory and relativistic wave equations, explaining that virtual particles can exceed the speed of light, but physical particles must remain within the light cone.
  • Another participant discusses the classical nature of relativity and how quantum mechanics relaxes classical postulates, leading to scenarios where particles can appear to travel faster than light under certain conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the uncertainty principle in relation to relativistic momentum, with some suggesting that classical limits may not apply universally to all measured momenta. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing interpretations present.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions and conditions under which their claims hold, including the distinction between quantum field theory and relativistic wave equations. There is also a reference to the limitations of classical postulates in quantum mechanics, which may affect the interpretation of results.

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To solve one of my textbook problems about uncertainty principle in relativistic case, I found that for every individual measured momentum p, I needed to assume [tex]p < \gamma mc[/tex] to get the correct answer, where [tex]\gamma = \frac{1}{{\sqrt {1 - \frac{{{v^2}}}{{{c^2}}}} }}[/tex].
But I keep suspecting whether the assumption is valid,because I have a vague memory that I heard that a particle can exceed the speed limit c when considering uncertainty principle. Then why can't the momentum exceed this limit?
Are these information enough for you guys? Or do I need to stick my textbook problem in this post?

Actually I was originally going to title this post as Uncertainty principle and FTL, but what I am going to ask is not that fancy so I change the title. :)
 
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In SR, [tex]p^2=E^2-m^2[/tex] (with c=1), so p must be less than
[tex]E=m\gamma[/tex].
 
Meir Achuz said:
In SR, [tex]p^2=E^2-m^2[/tex] (with c=1), so p must be less than
[tex]E=m\gamma[/tex].
But if there's always a uncertainty associated, can some measured momentum exceed the classical limit?It makes sense to me <p> should not exceed the limit, but is it true for all sample points of p?
 
It depends whether you are doing quantum field theory or relativistic wave equations. In quantum field theory, you can have virtual particle "traveling faster than c" but all virtual contributions must be added together to produce a physical answer, and eventually they conspire to have real particles inside the light-cone. If you are doing relativistic wace equations, Meir Achuz's answer applies. The full understanding of the approximations behind would have to wait a little bit.
 
Thanks for all the clarifications. I think I get it now.
 
In relativity is a classical theory in the sense that all the classical postulate hold once that you assume space-time dimension and Lorentz transforms. In quantum mechanics many of the classical postulate are relaxed. So you find
- that particle can travel faster that c (with "small" contribution to the final probability)
- that the variational principle is not exactly satisfied
- the energy conservation is not exactly satisfied
- that the number of particle in an isolated volume is not constant
- there is not a single path linking two points
- that this message to arrive to you after few seconds can passes from alpha centauri (violating c).
and so on.
 

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