Underground Temperature Sensors

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implementation of temperature measurement in a geothermal installation using constant current sensors (AD592). Participants are exploring the design considerations for wiring, shielding, and grounding of the sensors placed underground, focusing on ensuring signal integrity and protection against environmental factors.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their project involving AD592 sensors and seeks advice on wiring and protection against lightning.
  • Another participant advises against grounding the sensor leads except at the receiver end and suggests using a copper shield to mitigate induced voltages.
  • A participant expresses concern about underground cable installation and confirms plans to ground the shield at the ADC end while leaving it floating at the sensor end, seeking validation of this approach.
  • Further elaboration on the importance of avoiding a conducting loop by not connecting the shield to the sensor is provided, along with a recommendation to use twisted pair signal wires to minimize induced signals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present differing views on the grounding and termination of the shield. While there is some agreement on grounding the shield at the ADC end, the specifics of how to handle the shield at the sensor end and the implications of grounding remain contested.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various methods to prevent induced voltages and common mode currents, highlighting the complexity of grounding practices in underground installations. There are unresolved aspects regarding the best practices for capacitively coupling the shield and the potential effects of grounding configurations.

triden
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I have been working on a small project involving temperature measurement in a geothermal installation. I am using constant current sensors (AD592) that will be placed about 100 feet down the holes. I have the circuit designed and the PCB drawn up but I haven't printed it yet. I want to ask you guys about a few final details before I hook it all up.

I'm going to hook the sensors up to cat5 which will run to my measurement board adc to read the temps. The sensors will be encapsulated in a small copper pipe and then filled with potting compound to make them water proof. On the adc input I have a low pass rc filter and +/- rail voltage clamps. I am thinking of maybe putting a TVS on it too for extra protection. Since I don't want my circuit to blow up in the first lightning storm, I was thinking of using shielded cat5 cable for the run to the sensors. If I do this, what would be the best way to terminate the shield? Should I ground it on both ends? This is all kind of new to me and I want to make sure I am not missing anything.

Christan
 
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The AD 592 is a 2-terminal device with a constant current output of 1 uA per degree K. Do not ground either lead anywhere except at the receiver (op-amp or adc) end. Do use a copper shield to eliminate any induced voltages in circuit. The applied voltage V should be attached to the (+) terminal, and the (-) end is attached to a common ground to which the copper shield is attached. An appropriate resistor R should be in series with the (-) end of the AD592 at the receiver end to develop a sense voltage. With a + 20 volt power supply, the sense voltage should not exceed 2 or 3 volts (guess), so R < 10,000 ohms for best power supply voltage rejection. Read datasheet.

You do not want any current flowing in the copper shield, so do not ground it anywhere except to the common ground at the adc box.

Bob S
 
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Hi Bob, thanks for the reply.

I am most concerned about running the cable underground. With your advice, I will leave the foil shield in the cable floating at the sensor end and then tie it to Earth ground at the ADC end (inside the house). Does this sound correct? I also read about capacitively coupling one end of the shield to stop loops from forming. Is this something you would advise?

Chris
 
triden said:
I am most concerned about running the cable underground. With your advice, I will leave the foil shield in the cable floating at the sensor end and then tie it to Earth ground at the ADC end (inside the house). Does this sound correct? I also read about capacitively coupling one end of the shield to stop loops from forming. Is this something you would advise?
The main way of inducing a signal in your underground cable is by Faraday induction of ac signals. Faraday induction does induce voltage signals in loops of wires, which will be converted to current signals only if it is a conducting loop. To avoid this, do not connect the shield to the sensor, because then there will be a conducting loop which could generate common mode currents in the shield and signal wires. Do use twisted pair signal wires inside the shield to avoid differential mode Faraday induced signals. The shield is grounded to the case and house at the ADC end.

Bob S
 

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