Understanding Action & Reaction Forces

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of action and reaction forces, particularly in the context of rocket propulsion. Participants explore the mechanics of how rockets operate, the role of exhaust gases, and historical misconceptions about rocket functionality in space.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the concept of action and reaction forces.
  • Another participant explains that a rocket exerts a force on the fuel by ejecting it, and the ejected fuel exerts an equal and opposite force on the rocket.
  • A further contribution details the mechanics of rocket engines, noting that high-pressure gases push against the combustion chamber and are expelled at high speed, contributing to the rocket's lift.
  • It is mentioned that the initial phase of rocket flight is inefficient due to high force but limited distance raised, with efficiency improving as speed increases.
  • A participant adds that rockets do not require the ground to function, referencing hovercraft mechanics and discussing excess pressure aiding initial lift.
  • Historical context is provided regarding a 1920 New York Times editorial that claimed rockets could not work in space due to the absence of a medium to push against, which was later retracted.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion includes multiple perspectives on the mechanics of rocket propulsion and historical misconceptions, with no consensus reached on the initial confusion expressed by the first participant.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the efficiency of rocket propulsion and the role of ground presence without resolving the complexities of these mechanics or assumptions about pressure dynamics.

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I am kind of confused about this. What is the action and equal and opposite reaction?
 
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The rocket imparts a force on the fuel by ejecting it , the ejected fuel exerts an equal, but oppositely directed force on the rocket.
 


Thanks!
 


It's all those exhaust gases emerging from the nozzles at super high speed that the rocket engines are emitting. At the back of the combustion chambers there is a high pressure that pushes up against the inside, raising the rocket, whilst the same pressure is pushing the gases out at the bottom. The momentum of all that high speed gas is equal to the momentum gained by the rocket.
At the start of the flight, the whole process is INCREDIBLY inefficient because there's a lot of force but not much distance raised. It gets better as the rocket starts to go faster.

PS you don't need the ground to be there for the gases to 'push against'. However, it's got to be true that, (as with a hovercraft) whilst on the ground, there will be a bit of excess pressure under the rocket, which will help to lift it the first meter or so. Above that, the gases can escape so easily that the pressure is not helped by the presence of the ground.
 


Thank you so much!
 

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