Why is cf(x) not equal to \aleph_a when x=\aleph_{a} and a is a limit ordinal?

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In summary, the cofinality of an ordinal is the smallest cardinality of a set that is cofinal in that ordinal. For a limit ordinal a, the cofinality of \aleph_a is less than or equal to a, and it can be shown that it is also less than or equal to the cofinality of a.
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if [itex] x= \aleph_{a} [/itex] where a is a limit ordinal. then cf(x)=cf(a)
why is the cf(x) not eqaul to [itex] \aleph_{a} [/itex]
is it constructing an order type from the previous cardinals, and using the previous cardinals to construct a sequence
 
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You have to go back to the definition of cofinality of an ordinal. It's slightly confusing, but here's what I think the definition amounts to:
(I'm going to assume the axiom of choice, because everything gets messier without it)

Let [itex]A[/itex] be an ordinal (which we can represent as the set of all smaller ordinals). Let [itex]B[/itex] be a proper subset of [itex]A[/itex] (that is, [itex]B[/itex] is a set of ordinals, all of which are smaller than [itex]A[/itex]). Then [itex]B[/itex] is cofinal in [itex]A[/itex] if for every [itex]\alpha < A[/itex], there is a [itex]\beta \epsilon B[/itex] such that [itex]\alpha \leq \beta[/itex]. In other words, [itex]B[/itex] contains arbitrarily large elements of [itex]A[/itex]. So the definition of the cofinality of [itex]A[/itex]: It's the smallest cardinal [itex]\alpha[/itex] such that there is a set [itex]B[/itex] of size [itex]\alpha[/itex] that is cofinal in [itex]A[/itex].

So a couple of examples: If [itex]n[/itex] is finite ordinal greater than zero, then the cofinality of [itex]n[/itex] is 1. That's because we can let [itex]B[/itex] just be the one-element set [itex]B = \{ n-1 \}[/itex]: If [itex]n' < n[/itex], then [itex]n' \leq n-1[/itex].

Another example is [itex]\omega[/itex]: the cofinality of [itex]\omega[/itex] is [itex]\omega[/itex]. To see that, let [itex]B[/itex] be any finite set of natural numbers. Then it has a largest element, [itex]max(B)[/itex]. Clearly, this number can't be greater than or equal to every element of [itex]\omega[/itex]. So [itex]B[/itex] is not cofinal in [itex]\omega[/itex]. Turning that around, if [itex]B[/itex] IS cofinal in [itex]\omega[/itex], then [itex]B[/itex] must be infinite, so its cardinality is [itex]\omega[/itex].

So now, let's look at the case of [itex]\aleph_a[/itex]. If [itex]a[/itex] is a limit ordinal, then we can let [itex]B = \{ \aleph_{a'} | a' < a \}[/itex]. Then [itex]B[/itex] will be cofinal in [itex]\aleph_a[/itex]. So the cofinality of [itex]\aleph_a[/itex] would be less than or equal to the cardinality of [itex]B[/itex], which is just [itex]a[/itex].
 
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And notice that stevendaryl's argument that ##cf(\aleph_a) \leq |a|## can be slightly modified to show ##cf(\aleph_a) \leq cf(a)##. Indeed, letting ##C## be some cofinal subset of ##a##, one can verify that ##\{\aleph_c: \ c\in C\}## is cofinal in ##\aleph_a##.
 

What is cofinality and why is it important?

Cofinality is a concept in set theory that refers to the size of a set or structure. Specifically, it measures the smallest size of a subset of a given set that has the same order type as the original set. In simpler terms, it measures the size of the "longest chain" in a set. Cofinality is important because it helps us understand the structure and properties of infinite sets, which have many applications in mathematics and other fields such as computer science and physics.

How is cofinality related to cardinality?

Cofinality and cardinality are related concepts, but they measure different things. Cardinality measures the size of a set in terms of the number of elements it contains, while cofinality measures the size of the "longest chain" in a set. In other words, cofinality is a measure of the "order" or structure of a set, while cardinality is a measure of the "size" of a set.

What are the different types of cofinality?

The two main types of cofinality are regular and singular. Regular cofinality refers to the cofinality of a regular cardinal, which is a cardinal number that is equal to its own cofinality. Singular cofinality, on the other hand, refers to the cofinality of a singular cardinal, which is a cardinal number that is not equal to its own cofinality.

How is cofinality used in mathematics?

Cofinality has many applications in mathematics, particularly in the fields of set theory, topology, and model theory. It is used to prove theorems about infinite sets and structures, and to study the properties and relationships between different types of infinite sets. Cofinality is also used in the construction of mathematical models and in the analysis of different mathematical structures.

What are some common misconceptions about cofinality?

One common misconception about cofinality is that it is the same as cardinality. As mentioned before, these are two different concepts that measure different aspects of a set. Another misconception is that cofinality only applies to infinite sets, when in fact it can also be defined for finite sets. Additionally, some people may think that cofinality is only relevant to pure mathematics, when in reality it has many practical applications in other fields as well.

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