Understanding Flux of Vector Fields: Equations, Solutions, and Common Mistakes

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The discussion revolves around understanding the flux of vector fields, specifically in relation to the equations used for calculating flux over a surface defined by a function of two variables. Participants are examining the differences in formulas and the implications of normal vector directions in their calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the appropriateness of the formulas used, particularly regarding the presence of a negative sign in the flux equation. There is also discussion about the correct representation of surfaces and the calculation of normal vectors, with some participants suggesting parameterization as a method to derive the normal vector.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and pointing out potential errors in the original poster's approach. There is an acknowledgment of issues with the normal vector's direction, and some guidance has been offered regarding parameterization and the calculation of normals. However, there is no explicit consensus on the resolution of the problem.

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Flux=integrate -Pgx-Qgy+R of the proj. area on xy plane for z=g(x,y)

The Attempt at a Solution


Why do my attempt is wrong? The example is using the foundational formula while I use the stock formula from the book, why is there a negative sign difference between the answers? Or is that my formula used inappropiately?

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One reason PF discourages the use of images is that they are difficult to edit. On your first line you have the equation ##g = y = x^2##, whatever that means. You are likely using the formula for a surface of the form ##z = g(x,y)##. The surface ##y = x^2## is not that kind of surface because ##y## and ##x## are not independent. The easiest way to represent the surface is ##y = g(x,z)##. In any case, however you did it, your normal vector is in the wrong direction. The ##y## component of your normal vector must be negative.
 
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LCKurtz said:
The y coordinate of your normal vector must be negative.
Thanks for pointing out the problem...
yecko said:
Flux=integrate -Pgx-Qgy+R of the proj. area on xy plane for z=g(x,y)
but how can we see the direction of normal vector in this formula?
and how to correct it? (simply by adding a negative sign?)
 
yecko said:
Thanks for pointing out the problem...

but how can we see the direction of normal vector in this formula?
and how to correct it? (simply by adding a negative sign?)

I can't tell how you got your normal or what formula you used because you didn't show your work. What I would do is parameterize the surface like this$$
\vec R(x,z) = \langle x, x^2, z\rangle$$and get a normal by ##\vec R_x\times \vec R_z## and take it or its opposite, whichever has a negative ##y## component.
 
Alright! I believe I've got it! thanks!
 

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