Understanding Ground Potential: My Experience with a Volt Meter

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The discussion revolves around the concept of ground potential in relation to voltage measurements using a voltmeter. Participants explore the definitions and implications of ground as a reference point in electrical measurements, as well as the phenomena of electric shock and static electricity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the concept of ground as zero potential, questioning why a voltmeter reads zero when measuring between a battery and ground.
  • Another participant explains that the voltmeter's reference point is determined by the "com" terminal, and emphasizes the importance of connecting the meter correctly to measure voltage.
  • A different participant raises a concern about the potential danger of measuring voltages from an unknown wire, suggesting it may have AC voltage if the meter reads zero.
  • One participant reflects on the difference between experiencing an electric shock from a charged object and measuring potential with a voltmeter, indicating a misunderstanding of how potential relates to electric shock.
  • Another participant clarifies that the shock experienced may be due to static electricity, which can have a high voltage, and suggests that measuring the potential between a hand and ground could yield surprising results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the nature of ground potential and the operation of voltmeters, with no consensus reached on the underlying concepts or the implications of their measurements.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions about the definitions of ground and potential, as well as the conditions under which electric shocks occur. The discussion also highlights the importance of correctly setting the voltmeter for accurate readings.

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Hi everyone,

I just bought a volt meter today to play around. To my understanding about electricity and all, I've always been taught that potentials have references. We always reference ground as zero potential. I put the volt pins between a small battery and it reads about 1.6 volts, so I thought if ground is zero potential, then it should read some voltages across the battery and ground. However, the meter reads zero. What is my misunderstanding about ground term? Is ground literally ground and have 0 potential? lol
 
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Yes, potentials have references. For the voltmeter, the reference is whatever is connected to the "com" terminal (usually through a black wire). The meter reading is then the voltage of whatever is connected to the other wire (usually colored red), with respect to this reference.

You need to connect one wire to the battery's PLUS terminal, and the other wire to the battery's MINUS terminal.

Make sure the meter is set to read DC Volts. If it is set to read AC Volts, it will read zero for a battery.
 
Redbelly98 said:
Yes, potentials have references. For the voltmeter, the reference is whatever is connected to the "com" terminal (usually through a black wire). The meter reading is then the voltage of whatever is connected to the other wire (usually colored red), with respect to this reference.

You need to connect one wire to the battery's PLUS terminal, and the other wire to the battery's MINUS terminal.

Make sure the meter is set to read DC Volts. If it is set to read AC Volts, it will read zero for a battery.

Thx for the tip. What puzzle me is that when you touch a wire and you standing on the ground, you'll get shock. However, when I check the wire and ground using the volt meter, it reads zero.
 
I am not sure what wire you are talking about, I hope this isn't some dangerous live exposed wire ... is it?

It may be that the wire has an AC voltage, and your meter was set to read DC volts.
 
Thx for the concern Red, I think I still want to live. lol It seems like I have a misunderstanding between a charged object and potential. You can get shock touching a charged object, but there isn't necessary a potential in between the charged and neutral object if measure by a volt meter.
 
No! you discharge the potential, that was likely between your hand and Ground. I assume you are referring to the Static Shock those of us who have lived up north. As we walk across carpet, we build up a static charge with a high voltage, Due to the stripping of electrons from the soles of your shoes. Should you measure the potential between your hand and ground you might be surprised at how high the voltage is. Should you manage to measure the current between your hand and ground, you would need a very fast ammeter!
 

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