Understanding Poisson's Equation: General Forms

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The discussion revolves around the general forms of Poisson's equation, particularly in the context of dielectric materials. Participants explore different expressions and their validity, as well as the notation used in these equations.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the general form of Poisson's equation and questions whether two different expressions can both be considered general forms.
  • Another participant suggests that the term 'general form' is not strictly defined and proposes that an alternative expression, ##\ \Delta\phi = f \ ##, could also be considered a general form.
  • A participant critiques the notation used, finding the term ##\varepsilon\varepsilon_0## unappealing and questions the origin of the function ##f## in the first expression.
  • One participant clarifies that their discussion relates to a linear isotropic homogeneous (LIH) dielectric material and mentions the use of free charge density in their context.
  • Another participant provides a suggestion on using LaTeX formatting for clarity in mathematical expressions.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on what constitutes the general form of Poisson's equation, with multiple competing views and expressions presented.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and notations used in the expressions for Poisson's equation, as well as the assumptions underlying the different forms discussed.

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I am having trouble determining what the general form of Poisson's equation would be between

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Can they both be called the general form?
 

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The 'general form' has not been trademarked or anything. One could equally well claim that ##\ \Delta\phi = f \ ## is the general form.

I do wonder where you got this form from: I find ##\varepsilon\varepsilon_0## very ugly (I am used to ## \varepsilon=\varepsilon_r\varepsilon_0## ) and I don't know where the ##f## in your first expression comes from.
 
BvU said:
The 'general form' has not been trademarked or anything. One could equally well claim that ##\ \Delta\phi = f \ ## is the general form.

I do wonder where you got this form from: I find ##\varepsilon\varepsilon_0## very ugly (I am used to ## \varepsilon=\varepsilon_r\varepsilon_0## ) and I don't know where the ##f## in your first expression comes from.

I should have said this relates to a LIH dielectric material
pf is the free charge density
I guess the textbook I am using is using for gauss's law in terms of D=\varepsilon\varepsilon_0E

So any is appropriate for the general form?
 
I should say so, yes.

tip: use ## [ ...##\TeX ## code ] ## as ##\LaTeX## delimiters to get ##{\bf D} =\varepsilon\varepsilon_0 {\bf E} ##

and use subscripts to distinguish factors from, well, subscripts.
 
Thanks much appreciated.
 

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