Understanding Rutherford's Alpha Scattering Experiment

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The discussion revolves around Rutherford's alpha scattering experiment, focusing on the scattering of alpha particles and the forces involved. Participants explore the implications of using different metals in the experiment and how these factors affect the scattering behavior.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants inquire about the reasons for alpha particle scattering, the nature of the forces involved, and the effects of using different metals. There is a discussion about the relationship between atomic mass and scattering angles.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the electrostatic forces at play and the impact of atomic mass on scattering behavior. There is an ongoing exploration of how different metals might influence the results, with no explicit consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the interactions involved, including the role of electron clouds and the concept of the Coulomb barrier. There is mention of assumptions regarding the fixed nature of gold nuclei and the implications of using metals with different atomic masses.

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Hey I am revising for my physics test and am having a bit of trouble understanding rutherford's alpha scattering experiment. My teacher gave us a powerpoint but it does not seem to help me, more so it confuses me. I am a good physics student and not understanding this is hard for me.

If you could help me by answering these questions I would be ecstatic, thanks in advance guys:

why do alpha particles scatter?
- How do they scatter?
- force involved?
- how this force works?
- what if the metal wasn't gold?
-would this have an affect?

If you want to throw in some things you think might help I am willing to give anything a try, thanks again
 
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why do alpha particles scatter?
repulsive electrostatic forces between the +ve alpha particles and the +ve nucleii

- How do they scatter?
repulsive electrostatic forces between the +ve alpha particles and the +ve nucleii

- force involved?
repulsive electrostatic forces between the +ve alpha particles and the +ve nucleii

- how this force works?
the electrostatic forces between the +ve alpha particles and the +ve nucleii are repulsive

- what if the metal wasn't gold?
-would this have an affect?
Most metals are significantly more massive than alphas. Rutherford assumed the gold nucleii were essentially fixed. Of course, if the metal nucleii are of similar mass to the alphas then that doesn't hold true any more. If you shine alphas on to beryllium, for example, you'll end up with a stream of neutrons coming out of the metal!

If you want to throw in some things you think might help I am willing to give anything a try,

just remember that repulsive electrostatic forces between the +ve alpha particles and +ve nucleii results in scattering (called 'Coulomb scattering' as it is the 'Coulombic' force... did I mention that is the electrostatic force :smile: )
 
thanks a lot for that i needed it. I can't believe its all because of the same force. I didnt really understand the bit about the metals though. Is it that if the metal he used was more proton rich there would be greater deflection angles and less proton, smaller deflection? because i used an applet just before and it appeared that as the number of protons decreases so does the deflection angles
 
The comment on the different metals was to do with the atomic mass - it is like a ping-pong ball hitting a bowling ball, it'll just bounce off. But if it were another ping pong ball then both would shoot off from the collision point.

I'd expect the electric field around a naked gold nucleus would, indeed, be stronger. However, it is strong enough around any nucleus that the alphas would not reach the nucleus (unless* they have enough energy to penetrate the Coulomb barrier - an MeV at least, in the case of gold that'd be many many MeV I am sure)

*[- or if there is some quantum tunnelling event, but I'll not complicate this answer with that]

However, in real life you'd also contend with the fact that the alpha is flying through an electron soup before it reaches the nucleus, and the fewer protons the fewer electrons. I confess I've not crunched those numbers or thought about it much, so I'm not sure enough to comment on what the variations of results would be if you used a metal foil of different atomic mass.
 
ok i get it now thanks again
 

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