Understanding Stopping Distance & Its Relation to Speed and Angular Movement

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The discussion revolves around the concept of stopping distance in relation to speed and angular movement. Participants explore whether stopping distance is proportional to the square of the speed for both linear and angular motions, and consider its application to various scenarios, including projectiles and body movements.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that stopping distance is proportional to the square of the speed for a moving object, given a fixed deceleration rate.
  • Others argue that this principle also applies to angular movements, suggesting that the angle traversed during deceleration is proportional to the square of the starting rotation rate.
  • It is noted that the deceleration rate may not always be equal, with examples given about the limitations of human anatomy in applying force during rapid movements.
  • Participants discuss whether stopping distance applies to projectiles, with some asserting that it does, while others caution that the relationship may not hold under all conditions due to varying stopping forces.
  • There is a clarification that stopping force can vary depending on the context, such as gravity acting on a thrown object or the friction between tires and the road in a car.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express both agreement and disagreement on various aspects of stopping distance, particularly regarding its proportionality to speed and the factors influencing stopping force. Multiple competing views remain, and the discussion does not reach a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the relationship between stopping distance and speed may depend on specific conditions, such as the nature of the stopping force and how it varies over time. The complexity of biological systems is also noted as a limitation in applying basic physics principles.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying physics, engineering, biomechanics, or anyone curious about the dynamics of motion and stopping mechanisms in various contexts.

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As I have heard, for a moving object, stopping distance is proportional to the square of the speed. Is this true, and does this apply to angular movements such as body part movements?
 
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Sundown444 said:
As I have heard, for a moving object, stopping distance is proportional to the square of the speed. Is this true, and does this apply to angular movements such as body part movements?
Yes, given a fixed deceleration rate, stopping distance is proportional to the square of the starting speed. It makes sense that this should be so. It takes twice as long to slow down and during the slowdown interval, it is moving twice as fast.

Yes, for a fixed angular deceleration rate, the angle traversed during the slowdown is proportional to the square of the starting rotation rate. The same reasoning applies.

Of course, the deceleration rate is not always going to be equal. No matter how fast you swing your fist, it will usually stay attached to the end of your arm. Your muscles, tendons and ligaments will apply whatever force they are able to preserve that situation. Swinging twice as fast will not work to strike a fellow standing on the opposite side of the boxing ring.
 
jbriggs444 said:
Yes, given a fixed deceleration rate, stopping distance is proportional to the square of the starting speed. It makes sense that this should be so. It takes twice as long to slow down and during the slowdown interval, it is moving twice as fast.

Yes, for a fixed angular deceleration rate, the angle traversed during the slowdown is proportional to the square of the starting rotation rate. The same reasoning applies.

Of course, the deceleration rate is not always going to be equal. No matter how fast you swing your fist, it will usually stay attached to the end of your arm. Your muscles, tendons and ligaments will apply whatever force they are able to preserve that situation. Swinging twice as fast will not work to strike a fellow standing on the opposite side of the boxing ring.

So, stopping distance applies to swinging your arms in a circular fashion at some speed as well?
 
Sundown444 said:
So, stopping distance applies to swinging your arms in a circular fashion at some speed as well?
Yes. Like a woman's softball pitcher?
 
jbriggs444 said:
Yes. Like a woman's softball pitcher?

Yes, something like that.
 
jbriggs444 said:
Yes. Like a woman's softball pitcher?
You could be in trouble with the sexism police with that remark. :wink: But I know what you mean about male and female throwing methods. Bowling, both in Women's and Mens' cricket involves the same action (100mph+).
Sundown444 said:
stopping distance is proportional to the square of the speed.
Yes, the Kinetic Energy is mv2/2 and the distance taken will be, in simple terms , proportional to the distance because Work (energy dissipated by brakes) is Brake Force times distance. For a constant braking force, this means distance is proportional to v2.
For rotation, the same thing applies; number of revolutions to stop will depend on rotation speed squared.
But bodies are not good subjects to try to do basic Physics with. Far too complicated for simple sums. (Same with car collisions)
 
So, one other thing: does stopping distance apply to anything, including projectiles?
 
Sundown444 said:
So, one other thing: does stopping distance apply to anything, including projectiles?
What does this question mean? If something is moving over here and comes to a stop over there, you can take the distance between here and there as the stopping distance. In this sense, "stopping distance" applies to anything, including projectiles.

If you mean to ask whether stopping distance always goes as the square of starting velocity, the answer is no. The stopping force (and how that force varies over time) matters too.
 
jbriggs444 said:
What does this question mean? If something is moving over here and comes to a stop over there, you can take the distance between here and there as the stopping distance. In this sense, "stopping distance" applies to anything, including projectiles.

If you mean to ask whether stopping distance always goes as the square of starting velocity, the answer is no. The stopping force (and how that force varies over time) matters too.

So what do you mean by stopping force? What can it be?
 
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So what do you mean by stopping force? What can it be?
The stopping force is whatever force is acting on the object to slow it down. Throw an object up into the air and gravity will eventually stop it; brake a car and the force between the tires and the road will eventually stop it; throw a ball into a net and the force of the net on the ball will stop it (and in this last example the stopping distance probably is not proportional to the square of the speed).

If there isn't some force acting to slow and stop the object it will keep on moving forever, according to Newton's first law.
 
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