Understanding Stress and Strain in Springs for Engineers

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The discussion revolves around understanding stress and strain in springs, particularly in the context of engineering applications. Participants explore various methods to analyze the behavior of springs under load, using principles such as conservation of energy and Hooke's law. The scope includes theoretical and mathematical reasoning related to the mechanics of materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest making assumptions about the behavior of the mass and the forces in the system, such as the mass remaining in contact with the flange during maximum deflection.
  • One participant presents two methods for analyzing the problem, both involving conservation of energy, but expresses uncertainty about which method is correct.
  • Another participant reiterates the conservation of energy approach and seeks clarification on the symbols used in the equations presented.
  • A later reply introduces an alternative equation involving stress and strain, indicating a relationship with Young's modulus and suggesting substitutions to simplify the analysis.
  • There is a mention of broken links to external resources, which may hinder access to additional context or examples related to the discussion.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the correctness of the methods proposed, with no consensus reached on which approach is valid. Multiple competing views on the analysis methods remain present.

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Participants acknowledge the need for assumptions and the potential for reexamination of these assumptions later. There are unresolved questions about the definitions of symbols used in the equations, and some links to external resources are broken, limiting access to further information.

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Rido12 said:
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Have no clue... :(

What's this, AP physics or some such? (Wondering)

Anyway, to make sense of this, we'll need to make a couple of assumptions, which we may want to reexamine later.

Here are the assumptions I would make - at least at first:
  1. When the mass hits the flange, it remains in contact with the flange up to its maximum deflection.
  2. At all times, the force in the top section is equal to the force in the bottom section.

Hints:

Both sections will deform as per Hooke's law.
The spring constants are given by Young's modulus for low-alloy-steel.
The energy transferred by the mass to achieve maximum deflection, would be given by the kinetic energy of the mass.
 
So I have two methods, not sure which was is right or wrong.

Method 1:

By conservation of energy:

$$mgh=0.5 \sigma_1^2 \frac{V_1}{E}+0.5 \sigma_2^2 \frac{V_2}{E}$$
$$T_1=T_2$$
$$\sigma_1^1A_1=\sigma_2^2A_2$$

Two equations, two unknowns.

Method 2:

http://skule.ca/courses/exams/custom/20099/CIV102_2009__1329360837.pdf

Number two on this document.

About this course...it is hard to explain. It's just a compilation of 3 undergraduate courses in 1. The final exam might give a good indication of what is covered:
http://skule.ca/courses/exams/bulk/20139/CIV102H1F_2013_STRUCTURES%20&%20MATERIALS-AN%20INTRODUCTION%20TO%20ENGINEERING%20DESIGN.PDF

I've been told that the problem set questions (such as this one) are much easier than the ones on the exam.
 
Rido12 said:
By conservation of energy:

$$mgh=0.5 \sigma_1^2 \frac{V_1}{E}+0.5 \sigma_2^2 \frac{V_2}{E}$$
$$T_1=T_2$$
$$\sigma_1^1A_1=\sigma_2^2A_2$$

What do your symbols mean? (Wondering)

Btw, your second link seems to be broken.
 
Starting with:
$$mgh=\frac{1}{2}\sigma_1\epsilon V_1+\frac{1}{2}\sigma_2\epsilon V_2$$

Where sigma is stress, and epsilon is strain. Now we know that strain = stress / Young's modulus, we can make the substitution to get the equation I got in my previous post.

The broken link is:
http://skule.ca/courses/exams/bulk/20139/CIV102H1F_2013_STRUCTURES%20&%20MATERIALS-AN%20INTRODUCTION%20TO%20ENGINEERING%20DESIGN.PDF
The URL doesn't work if you directly click on it, you have to copy + paste from editing my post
 
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