Understanding Stresses and Neutral Axis in Structural Design

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of stresses and the neutral axis in structural design, particularly in relation to a specific scenario involving a sign subjected to various loads including weight and wind. Participants explore the implications of these forces on different points of the structure and the application of bending stress equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the stresses at points A, B, and C, noting that each point experiences different combinations of compression, tension, and shear due to various forces.
  • Another participant asserts that points B and C lie on the neutral axis for moment My, while point A lies on the neutral axis for moment Mz, suggesting a distinction based on the orientation of the forces.
  • A different viewpoint discusses the effect of wind direction on point A, indicating that it could be under tension or compression depending on whether the wind blows into or out of the page.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of longitudinal shear from the wind load, indicating that it is maximum at the transverse neutral axis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the positioning of points relative to the neutral axis and the effects of wind on the stresses experienced at those points. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on these aspects.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the orientation of forces and the definition of the neutral axis that may not be fully articulated. The implications of torque and the specific conditions under which stresses are analyzed are also not completely resolved.

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Hey guys,

A picture of the question is attached, I am not seeking answers just an explanation of some theory.

Now I understand that

point A will be under compression due to the weight, tension due to the bending and shear due to torque produced by the wind

point b will be under compression due to weight, tension due to bending (but different tension to point A because of the different moment) and shear due to torque produced by the wind

point C will be under compression due to weight and compression due to bending and shear due to torque produced by the wind

Now when applying the bending stress equation (MY/I) wouldn't either point B and C together or point A on its own lie on the neutral axis? And hence the bending stress would be zero Or would Y (distance from the neutral axis) always be 50mm?

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VooDoo: If the top edge of the sign is parallel to the y axis, and the x-axis is vertical, then points B and C lie on the neutral axis for moment My, and point A lies on the neutral axis for moment Mz.
 
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If the wind is blowing into the sign (into the page/screen), the A will be under tension. The force would apply a torque about the axis through BC. If the wind blows out of the scree/page, then A would be under compression.

One has to look at the distance a point is from the axis of rotation, and the torque applied with respect to that axis.

The post and sign apply a downward load on the base. Torques apply a tension or compression depending on whether they rotate away from or toward a point.

The base is a cantilever joint.
 
Annd don't forget the longitudinal shear from the wind load, maximum at the transverse neutral axis.
 

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