Understanding the Effects of Entanglement in Radioactive Decay

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The discussion revolves around the effects of entanglement in the context of radioactive decay, specifically focusing on the relationship between an alpha particle and its daughter nucleus post-decay. Participants explore the implications of measuring one particle on the other, the nature of wavefunction collapse, and the potential for communication via entanglement.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that measuring the alpha particle collapses the wavefunction of the daughter nucleus, questioning if there are additional effects beyond this collapse.
  • Another participant responds that the only other interaction would be due to electromagnetic radiation from the alpha particle and measurement device, which would have a negligible effect on the daughter nucleus due to rapid decrease in intensity with distance.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that measuring the alpha particle collapses the wavefunction of the entire quantum system, which includes both the alpha particle and the daughter nucleus, indicating a more complex interaction than initially suggested.
  • Further, a participant argues that to observe entanglement, one must measure both particles and perform multiple measurements to establish a correlation stronger than random chance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of measuring one particle in an entangled pair, particularly regarding the effects on the other particle and the nature of wavefunction collapse. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the effects of measurement on entangled particles, including the dependence on the definitions of wavefunction collapse and the probabilistic nature of quantum interactions.

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Lets say a radioactive atom decayed into an alpha particle and a daughter nucleus. The two particles are entangled. If you measure, the alpha particle, you will collapse the wavefunction of the daughter nucleus. Other than collapsing wavefunction, does have any effect on the daughter nucleus?
 
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In short, nope.

In slightly longer form:
The only other interaction besides collapsing wavefunction would be due to electromagnetic radiation emanating from the alpha particle and measurement device due to whatever interaction was involved in measurement. This radiation (if any) rapidly decreases intensity with distance, as it propagates at the speed of light. Once that radiation finally reaches the daughter nucleus, the probability if an appreciable change in the quantum state (say, by absorbing a photon) is negligibly low.

Guessing from the thread title, I can say in a nutshell, that (our current models show) there is no way of telling by measuring a single particle if it happens to be half of an entangled pair. You would have to measure the other half of the pair to see the entanglement, which throws a wrench into FTL communication via entanglement.
 
Trollfaz said:
If you measure, the alpha particle, you will collapse the wavefunction of the daughter nucleus.
You will collapse the wave function of the entire quantum system which includes the alpha particle and the daughter nucleus. That's a very different thing.
 
jfizzix said:
You would have to measure the other half of the pair to see the entanglement,
And even that's not good enough... You would have to repeat this measurements multiple times on multiple pairs, and find a stronger correlation than just random chance is likely to produce.
 

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