Understanding The Importance of Centre of Mass for Balance - Explained by Peter

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the centre of mass and its role in determining the balance of objects. Participants explore theoretical and experimental perspectives on how the position of the centre of mass affects stability and equilibrium, particularly in contexts like tightrope walking.

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Main Points Raised

  • Peter questions why the centre of mass affects balance and shares personal experimental observations about stability when the centre of mass is below the object.
  • One participant states that the centre of mass is where gravity acts on a body and introduces the concept of moments, suggesting a relationship between clockwise and anti-clockwise moments.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on whether "angular moments" and torque are relevant, expressing confusion about the equations involved.
  • A later reply discusses the implications of centre of mass in tightrope walking, explaining the difference between stable and unstable equilibrium based on the position of the centre of mass relative to the turning point.
  • One participant challenges the definition of "balance," suggesting that an object can be in balance yet still be easily disturbed by small forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of balance and the implications of the centre of mass on stability. There is no consensus on the equations that govern these concepts, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific mathematical relationships involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as moments, torque, and equilibrium without providing definitive equations or resolving the underlying assumptions about balance and stability.

Don Carnage
Hi ppl.

Why is it, the "centre of mass" determines how good the balance
of an object is ? I’ve tried this experimentally, on when I place the centre of mass below the object, its nearly impossible to push over, Or well... It IS IMPOSSIBLE! Could someone please tell me which equations tells me about this ?

Thx

Peter:-p
 
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Don Carnage said:
Why is it, the "centre of mass" determines how good the balance
of an object is ?

The centre of mass is where gravity acts on a body.

It can be further studied if you introduce moments.

Clockwise moments = Anti-clockwise moments

F x d = F x d
 
DM said:
The centre of mass is where gravity acts on a body.

It can be further studied if you introduce moments.

Clockwise moments = Anti-clockwise moments

F x d = F x d

Do you mean angular moments and torque ? I still don't get it.. don't you know an equation ?
 
'angular moments'!
LOL!
 
It depends a bit upon the context, but suppose you are tightrope walking. If you are slightly out of balance (ie, your center of mass is not precisely above the rope), gravity will exert a nonzero net torque to make you fall over to the side completely.
But imagine you are hanging from below the rope (with your arms or something). Now if you swing sideways gravity exerts a torque to restore you to the equilibrium position right beneath the rope (much like a pendulum). The first is an example of unstable equilibrium, the second of stable equilibrium.
For a rigid body in a uniform gravitational field, gravity can be assumed to act on the center (centre?) of mass. If the center of mass is above the turning point (the contact point on the rope in this case) you have an unstable equilibrium, if the center of mass is below the turning point, you have stable equilibrium. You can easily convince yourself of this if you draw a picture and analyze the torques.

This is why tightrope walkers often practice with a long pole to which two long strings with masses are attached, so the the center of mass lies below the rope.
 
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Don Carnage said:
Why is it, the "centre of mass" determines how good the balance of an object is ? I’ve tried this experimentally, on when I place the centre of mass below the object, its nearly impossible to push over, Or well... It IS IMPOSSIBLE! Could someone please tell me which equations tells me about this ?
I think you need to revisit what the term "balance" means. Something can be in balance and be easily nocked out of balance by a small force.
 

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