Understanding the Metal Mesh Effect on Microwaves

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The discussion revolves around the effect of metal mesh on microwaves, particularly in the context of microwave oven doors and radio telescopes. Participants explore the mechanisms by which the mesh blocks microwaves, including references to theoretical concepts and practical applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the metal mesh blocks microwaves because the holes are much smaller than the wavelengths, referencing a similar principle used in radio telescopes.
  • Others suggest the effect is related to a "Faraday shield," where conducting materials prevent RF from penetrating by allowing currents to flow along the surface.
  • One participant notes that while a mesh provides good shielding, it is not as effective as a solid metal shield and mentions the existence of formulas for calculating radiation that passes through.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of plasmons and surface effect conduction, suggesting that energy can penetrate even through holes smaller than the wavelength due to these effects, with applications in sub-wavelength resolution microscopy.
  • Several participants mention the term "waveguide beyond cutoff" as a possible name for the effect, while one also refers to "waveguide below the cutoff frequency."
  • There is a reference to a discussion on shielding materials and their properties, indicating a broader context for the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the terminology and mechanisms involved, with no consensus reached on a single definition or explanation for the effect of the metal mesh on microwaves.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific definitions of terms like "Faraday shield" and "waveguide," which may vary in interpretation. The discussion includes unresolved aspects regarding the effectiveness of mesh versus solid shielding and the implications of surface effects.

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I know that the metal mesh on the microwave oven door can block microwaves because the holes are much smaller than the wavelengths. It is the same reason why some radio telescopes can be made with a mesh. What is this effect called?
 
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I believe the effect is called "Faraday shield" where a conducting sphere would cause RF to basically turn into currents flowing outside the skin and keeping the rf from penetrating. It works in reverse also, as long as the holes in such a skin is a lot smalled in diameter than the wavelength of the radiation being shielded.
 
While a mesh with holes much smaller than the wavelength provides very good shielding it still is not as good as a solid metal shield. I read a book on this about 20 years ago and remember it even had formulas to calculate the amount of radiation that still passes through, but unfortunately I can't even remember the name of the book.
 
skeptic2 said:
While a mesh with holes much smaller than the wavelength provides very good shielding it still is not as good as a solid metal shield. I read a book on this about 20 years ago and remember it even had formulas to calculate the amount of radiation that still passes through, but unfortunately I can't even remember the name of the book.

I think smaller than wavelength holes in a conductor subject to EM radiation of any wavelength can produce plasmons, surface effect conduction that can allow some energy to penetrate even though it is theoretically too small a hole for normal radiation to penetrate.

That effect has been used to make sub-wavelength resolution microscopes, for instance.
 
E92M3 said:
I know that the metal mesh on the microwave oven door can block microwaves because the holes are much smaller than the wavelengths. It is the same reason why some radio telescopes can be made with a mesh. What is this effect called?

It is called a "waveguide beyond cutoff"
 
microwaveguru said:
It is called a "waveguide beyond cutoff"

Thanks, I think it may have.
 
microwaveguru said:
It is called a "waveguide beyond cutoff"

Sub-wavelength waveguide?

Here is one discussion of holes in shielding material, like the holes in microwave oven front window shield:

http://www.interferencetechnology.com/technologies/shielding/forums.html?tx_mmforum_pi1%5Baction%5D=list_post&tx_mmforum_pi1%5Btid%5D=105
 

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