Understanding the Relationship Between Photon Spin and Polarization Vectors

In summary, the conversation discusses the polarization vectors of photons with ##m_s = \pm 1## and their relationship to helicity eigenstates, which are different from spin eigenstates due to the massless nature of photons. The helicity operator for photons is the Lorentz generator J_{12} of the stability little group G_{p} of p^{\mu} = E (1,0,0,-1), with E>0. It is explained that spin is the angular momentum in the rest frame of a particle, which cannot be defined for a photon due to its inability to be brought to rest. Helicity, on the other hand, is the component of angular momentum in the direction of the momentum.
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Relationship between photon spin and polarisation.
In Griffiths Elementary Particles (2nd, revised edition) there is a footnote on page 241, which states that the photon states with ##m_s = \pm 1## are related to the polarization vector by:
$$\epsilon_+ = \frac 1 {\sqrt 2} (-1, -i, 0) \ \text{and} \ \epsilon_- = \frac 1 {\sqrt 2} (1, -i, 0)$$
But, he doesn't give any justification for this. How do we relate these spatial polarisation vectors to eigenstates of the relevant angular momentum or helicity operator?
 
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Those are polarization vectors for right and left circular polarized waves.
 
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Meir Achuz said:
Those are polarization vectors for right and left circular polarized waves.
Yes, I know. But aren't they also spin eigenstates?
 
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They are helicity eigenstates. Massless fields are different wrt. spin-like degrees of freedom. For spin ##s## there are only 2 helicity-degrees of freedom rather than ##(2s+1)## for nassive particles. The reason is to be found in the analysis of the unitary reps. of the Poincare group. See Weinberg, QT of fields, vol. 1.
 
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PeroK said:
Yes, I know. But aren't they also spin eigenstates?

No, because photons have no spin. But they are eigenstates of helicity.
 
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DrDu said:
No, because photons have no spin. But they are eigenstates of helicity.
How do we show that?

What is the helicity operator for photons?
 
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PeroK said:
How do we show that?

What is the helicity operator for photons?
For any massless particle, the helicity operator is the Lorentz generator [itex]J_{12}[/itex] of the stability little group* [itex]G_{p}[/itex] of [itex]p^{\mu} = E (1,0,0,-1)[/itex], with [itex]E>0[/itex].

* [itex]G_{p} = \big\{ \forall \Lambda \in SO(1,3) | \ \Lambda p = p \big\}[/itex]
 
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samalkhaiat said:
For any massless particle, the helicity operator is the Lorentz generator [itex]J_{12}[/itex] of the stability little group* [itex]G_{p}[/itex] of [itex]p^{\mu} = E (1,0,0,-1)[/itex], with [itex]E>0[/itex].

* [itex]G_{p} = \big\{ \forall \Lambda \in SO(1,3) | \ \Lambda p = p \big\}[/itex]
That explains why I couldn't figure it out myself. Thanks.
 
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PeroK said:
How do we show that?

What is the helicity operator for photons?
Spin is the angular momentum in the rest frame of a particle. As a photon cannot be brought to rest, we can't define its spin.
 
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"Spin is the angular momentum in the rest frame of a particle "
That is a property of spin for a massive particle, not a definition.
Helicity is the component of angular momentum in the direction of the momentum.
It's just a quibble over words.
 
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1. What is photon spin and polarization?

Photon spin refers to the intrinsic angular momentum of a photon, which is a type of elementary particle that carries electromagnetic energy. Polarization, on the other hand, refers to the direction of the electric field oscillation of a photon as it travels through space.

2. How is photon spin related to the concept of angular momentum?

Photon spin is a type of angular momentum, which is a property of a particle that describes its rotational motion. The spin of a photon contributes to its total angular momentum, along with its linear momentum and orbital angular momentum.

3. What is the difference between circular and linear polarization?

Circular polarization occurs when the electric field of a photon rotates in a circular motion, while linear polarization occurs when the electric field oscillates in a straight line. Circular polarization can be either right-handed or left-handed, while linear polarization can be either horizontal or vertical.

4. How is photon spin and polarization measured?

Photon spin can be measured using a device called a polarimeter, which measures the direction of the photon's spin. Polarization can be measured using a polarizer, which is a device that only allows photons with a certain polarization to pass through.

5. What are the applications of photon spin and polarization?

Understanding photon spin and polarization is crucial in many areas of science and technology, including quantum mechanics, telecommunications, and medical imaging. It also plays a role in the development of new materials and technologies, such as polarizing filters and 3D glasses.

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