Understanding X-Ray Emission from Colliding Electrons

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The discussion revolves around the emission of X-rays from colliding electrons, particularly in the context of high-energy collisions such as those that might occur in particle accelerators. Participants explore the mechanisms of X-ray production, including electron transitions and bremsstrahlung, while also addressing related particle emissions and clarifying misconceptions about particle identities.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that X-rays are produced when cathode rays (electrons) hit solid targets like molybdenum, questioning whether X-rays would still be emitted if electrons collide at speeds close to the speed of light.
  • Another participant clarifies that the Large Hadron Collider primarily accelerates protons, while electron colliders are used for electrons, and that high-energy electron collisions can produce gamma rays rather than X-rays.
  • A different participant introduces the concept of bremsstrahlung, explaining that high-energy electrons can emit X-rays when decelerating upon impact with a target, suggesting that this is a significant source of X-rays in medical applications.
  • There is a discussion about the emission of muons from high-energy electron collisions, with one participant incorrectly stating that muons are anti-neutrinos, which is corrected by others who clarify that muons are distinct particles, not neutrinos.
  • Several participants express confusion and frustration regarding the mischaracterization of muons and neutrinos, with one participant emphasizing the need for accurate terminology and understanding in discussions about subatomic particles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of particle emissions in high-energy collisions, particularly regarding the classification of muons and their relation to neutrinos. There is no consensus on the correct terminology or the relevance of certain points raised in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved misconceptions regarding the identities of muons and neutrinos, as well as the specific processes involved in X-ray production from electron collisions. The discussion reflects a mix of exploratory reasoning and technical clarification without reaching definitive conclusions.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and enthusiasts of physics, particularly those exploring particle physics, X-ray production, and the interactions of subatomic particles.

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i everybody

i've studied in my 9th standard that x rays are produced when cathode rays(electrons) hit solid targets such as molybdenum,titanium,etc..
now we'll observe the physics going out there
so what's happening there?
an electron is coming with some speed say v and hitting the valence electron present in the valence shell or orbit of the molybdenum atom
and eventually a x ray is emitted whose speed is c(speed of light)
so my doubt here is the electron transition is taking place above there and an x ray is produced
so in the large hadron collider if two electrons are made to hit at almost at 99.99% of the speed of light even then will an x ray is produced?
if so,what are the other particles that emit when they(electrons) collide?

thanks!
 
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As the term "Large Hadron" implies, one accelerates protons, not electrons. Electron (lepton) colliders use electrons. Just like high energy protons can collide and produce mesons or heavier particles, dependent on the total energy, high energy electrons can create particles, e.g., muons.

When high energy electrons collide, the photons produced are considered gamma rays, not X-rays.

X-rays are those photons produced when electrons fall into the orbitals within the atom, and typically, the K, L, M, . . . shells, as opposed to the valence (outermost) orbitals.

X-ray energies are characteristic of the element and are related to the nuclear charge (Z).
 
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In addition to the X-rays produced by electrons falling into inner orbitals as Astronuc discussed, when a beam of high-energy electrons impacts a solid target, X-rays are also produced by a process called bremsstrahlung. Bremsstrahlung is German for "braking radiation". Since accelerated charges radiate electromagnetic waves, an electron which is decelerating as it hits a target emits radiation. If the electron's energy is high enough, this radiation will be in the form of X-rays.

I think most of the X-rays in a medical X-ray machine are produced through bremsstrahlung, rather than line emission due to electrons falling into inner shells. I'm not certain of this, however.
 
The picture below is from the wiki article on X-Rays.

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Spectrum of the X-rays emitted by an X-ray tube with a rhodium target, operated at 60 kV. The smooth, continuous curve is due to bremsstrahlung, and the spikes are characteristic K lines for rhodium atoms.
 
so if high energy electrons can create particles like muon. muon is an anti neutrino. how is(muon) emitted?
 
dheeraj said:
so if high energy electrons can create particles like muon. muon is an anti neutrino. how is(muon) emitted?

Muon is NOT an antineutrino!

You could have done a quick search on this and corrected this yourself!

Why are you bringing muon into this question? Have you moved past your original question and decided to change the topic?

Zz.
 
hmm zapperz i ain't changing the topic here well if you haven't read the #2 please read and pardon muon is not an antineutrino andi haven't googled it i just got confused i know that muon is a neutrino...
 
dheeraj said:
hmm zapperz i ain't changing the topic here well if you haven't read the #2 please read and pardon muon is not an antineutrino andi haven't googled it i just got confused i know that muon is a neutrino...

A muon is not a neutrino either. It is a distinct particle, similar to an electron only heavier.
 
dheeraj said:
hmm zapperz i ain't changing the topic here well if you haven't read the #2 please read and pardon muon is not an antineutrino andi haven't googled it i just got confused i know that muon is a neutrino...

You should stop being lazy and do some reading FIRST rather than stating glaringly wrong statement such as this. Otherwise this thread will be closed for being too silly.

Zz.
 
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dheeraj said:
hmm zapperz i ain't changing the topic here well if you haven't read the #2 please read and pardon muon is not an antineutrino andi haven't googled it i just got confused i know that muon is a neutrino...

Perhaps you are referring to a muon neutrino although I don't know what that has to do with your question. It would probably be helpful to familiarize yourself with this chart when talking about subatomic particles:

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The muon neutrino and muon are both leptons and are denoted as \upsilon_{}\mu and \mu.
 
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