Unit tanget outward normal vector and greens thrm

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The discussion revolves around the application of Green's Theorem in the context of vector fields and line integrals. The original poster presents a vector field defined by H(x,y) and a region E, along with a parameterized curve R. The main questions involve finding the unit tangent and outward normal vectors, as well as using Green's Theorem to calculate work done on a particle moving along the curve.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the unit tangent vector and the outward normal vector, with some uncertainty about the correct approach. There are questions regarding the interpretation of Green's Theorem and how to apply it to the given parameterization. Additionally, there is a consideration of the implications of obtaining a zero result in the integral.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their attempts and seeking clarification on various aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the parameterization and the vector field, but there is still exploration of how to effectively apply Green's Theorem and interpret results.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the need to express calculations in terms of the parameter t versus x and y. There is also a mention of potential symmetry in the function being analyzed, which may affect the outcome of the integral.

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H(x,y)=<x^2/4,y^2/9,xy> the region E is 9x^2+4y^2<=36
also wat is given is the work is counterclockwise on R=<2cost,3sint> from -pi<=t<=pi
wat the questions are what is the unit tangent the outward normal vector with respect to the region E in terms of t. for the unit tangent i think its <(2cost)/sqrt(13),(3sint)/sqrt(13)>. i don't know if i did that right. i don't know where to start for the normal vector question though. also, i need to use greens thrm to find the amount of work needed to stop it if a particle was to move in the opposite direction.
 
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kekal6 said:
H(x,y)=<x^2/4,y^2/9,xy> the region E is 9x^2+4y^2<=36
also wat is given is the work is counterclockwise on R=<2cost,3sint> from -pi<=t<=pi
wat the questions are what is the unit tangent the outward normal vector with respect to the region E in terms of t. for the unit tangent i think its <(2cost)/sqrt(13),(3sint)/sqrt(13)>. i don't know if i did that right. i don't know where to start for the normal vector question though. also, i need to use greens thrm to find the amount of work needed to stop it if a particle was to move in the opposite direction.

Well, if r(t) = <2 cos(t), 3 sin(t)>, then the unit tangent vector is r'(t) / |r'(t)| and the unit normal vector is r''(t) / |r''(t)|. Use those to help you.
 
okay i got that part now the greens thrm one. my book only has it in terms of x and y but i have a feeling itd be easier using the R(t) one. the best it describes it is to do the integral of -pi to pi of F(r(t))dotr'(t) dt but i do not understand wat it fully means by the F(r(t)).
 
Remember that r(t) = <x(t), y(t)>. so F(r(t)) = <x(t)^2/4, y(t)^2/9, x(t)y(t)>. That's what it means. Then plug in what you have for x(t) and y(t). You know what they are, right?
 
ok i ended up getting 2sint+3cost the next little problem though is over that interval i get 0. should i just take the it from 0 to pi and multiply it by 2?
 
kekal6 said:
ok i ended up getting 2sint+3cost the next little problem though is over that interval i get 0. should i just take the it from 0 to pi and multiply it by 2?

Why is it such a problem to get 0? I'm thinking 0 might be the right answer here. Your function certainly isn't symmetric across z=0...
 
ok sounds good. just a short quick push on flux if u can answer. I am supposed to do the double int to the surface s of vector f dot n. can i do that with respect to the t or do i have to change it all the way back to x and y
 
kekal6 said:
ok sounds good. just a short quick push on flux if u can answer. I am supposed to do the double int to the surface s of vector f dot n. can i do that with respect to the t or do i have to change it all the way back to x and y

You should be able to do it with respect to t... but now you're getting into topics I'm not sure about.
 

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