Universal Mountain/Sea Thermometer

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the definition and calibration of temperature, particularly focusing on the Celsius scale and its implications for thermometers at varying altitudes and conditions. Participants explore the effects of pressure and impurities on temperature measurements, as well as conventions used in different regions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss the definition of temperature in Celsius, noting that 0° is defined at the triple point of water and 100° at boiling point under standard pressure.
  • There is uncertainty about how altitude affects thermometer readings, with one participant suggesting that a linear approximation might imply altitude-dependent thermometers.
  • Another participant clarifies that while water boils at lower temperatures at high altitudes, thermometers calibrated to 100° C do not adjust to reflect this change.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of specification regarding impurities in water, which complicates the precise construction of thermometers.
  • One participant mentions the Kelvin scale and its definition, which includes absolute zero and the triple point of water, suggesting it addresses some of the concerns about composition and pressure.
  • There is a question about how to calibrate a thermometer at absolute zero (0 K), indicating a technical challenge in temperature measurement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the definitions and implications of temperature measurement, with no clear consensus reached on the best practices or conventions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the calibration of thermometers and the effects of altitude and impurities.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention different conventions and standards, such as the IUPAC-IUPAP conventions, but do not reach a conclusion on their applicability or differences across regions.

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Taking the definition we have in Europe (I don't know the US version of it) of temperature (we use Celsius Degree here most of the time) : 0° is defined as the triple point of water, and 100° the boiling point. Then I suppose it is usual to make a linear approx (dilatation is linear in first approx)..but then this should give altitude dependent thermometer ??
 
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I'm not quite sure that I understand your question. The 0 and 100 degrees C. are established at standard pressure. While water will boil at less than 100* at high altitude, the thermometer won't change to show it as 100*. (Damn, I wish this PC had a degree sign. )
 
alt+0176 Danger...


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Now I'm even more baffled, Fred. I tried what you said, and as soon as I entered alt017 PF closed and kicked me back to IE. Never even had a chance to hit 6. :confused:
 
You have to use the numbers on the number key pad, not the ones near the QWERTY. I If I try to do it on my laptop, it does the same thing.
 
high temperature adversely affect PC working. But does pressure affect?
 
Thanks, Fred. I'm still not used to stupid PC's, and the NumLock on this one wasn't engaged. Macs don't have keypads. °°° :smile:
 
Yes, I think there is a lack in this definition, we don't say the amount of impurities (ions, or isotopes of water), which makes verxy precise building of thermometer not easy...By the way, does somebody know where the convention T=25°C and P=1025hPa comes from...or it other convention in other countries (in fact i don't even know the European one)...
 
Can't tell you what this week's IUPAC-IUPAP conventions are, but the b.p. got scrapped long time ago.
The Kelvin scale is defined by absolute zero and the triple point of water. The Kelvin is 1/273.16 of the temperature difference between the triple point of "Vienna Water" (?), don't quote me on "Vienna," and absolute zero. Takes care of the composition question, and of pressure. b.p. of water at one atmosphere is 99.xyz oC, and 0 oC is still 273.15 K.
Help any?
 
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(Yes, this is exactly the point, there is 1/100 per scaling unit difference between K and °C...??) But technically speaking, how to do calibrate a thermometer at 0K ?
 
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FredGarvin said:
alt+0176 Danger...
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Of course if you were on a MACINTOSH computer you would just press option+k. K for Kelvin.
 
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Mk, you goof... it's Option-0 on my G3. :-p
I also got one by accident once with a Command-Option-? combo.
 

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