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Universal religion

  1. Jun 13, 2005 #1
    Is the unification of religion possible, and if so, what tenets might make it so?
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    Why would you want to? I mean, why would we want to obliterate an element that makes us individuals? Would you want to make us all one skin colour too?
  4. Jun 13, 2005 #3
    Perhaps your tenet under this religion would be that all skin colors are created equally beautiful by their maker. "Lesser" religions might ignore or disavow such belief.
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    the closest to a unification of religion is to accept one another for who they are and what they believe without passing judgement...
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    Some, yes
    All, no

    The major western religions arent very different at all (dispite what some very uninformed people might want you to believe).

    Other religions, however... Buddhist and the various religions and beliefs in for example, Africa, are so off-base with eachother and western views that its just impossible.
  7. Jun 13, 2005 #6
    Even if everyone on the planet believed the same religion, then there must be at least one free-thinker that believes this universal truth is wrong so they have faith in something else instead. If this person didn't exist then the human race would no longer be that which defined us before, rather we're a universal race of brainwashed sheep no longer capable of individuality. Still homo-sapien maybe, but not really people.
  8. Jun 14, 2005 #7
    the only universal religion is counting.
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    I am not sure if you were responding to my comment (about skin colour) or the OP.

    I wasn't suggesting a direct link between religion and skin colour, I was merely putting forth skin colour as one other way that humans are diverse. Diversity is not merely acceptable, it is a good thing. Without it we would be (insert any one of a hundred sci-fi stories about a bleak future where all humans look, act and think alike).
  10. Jun 14, 2005 #9
    Diversity is indeed a good thing, and exists within conventional religions as I suppose it would under under a universal one. Shades of skin color among members is just one indication of variety under commonality. By that standard, a caste system would be discouraged in a comprehensive faith.
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    Eliminate prejudice, wars, discrimination etc....

    Why not? If everyone was of the same color discrimination based on skin color wouldn't exist.

    Ideally, I'd want to live in a color-blind society, where people aren't discriminated against because of their skin color.
  12. Jun 14, 2005 #11
    Not necessarily a union of one religion, but maybe an understanding of each idea a religion expresses or focuses on because that would allow people to think for themselves and see what each belief or set of beliefs lead to.

    Also, everyone would need an idea of forgiveness to free everyone of his/her mistakes that became present for one having certain beliefs that at some point or another led people to cause problems for others, not necessarily ntentionally. As in not acting with desire to inflict evil on others even though now certain acts can appear evil.

    Anyhow, one would have to realize that at times people will reach certain beliefs that do not necessarily fullfill his/her intentions, and if fulfillment is truly desired, then one needs to realize that those intentions cannot be forced into mission. But rather, fulfilled within oneself by expanding his/her beliefs as one explores various perspectives without pre-judgment of an expressed thought different from one's own that may at first appear to challenge one's initial thoughts because one must realize that if everyone thought the same and saw everything the same way, then there would only be need for one of us to exist. So, there are reasons for us to have the ability to think for ourselves and continue expanding such thoughts that may eventually become belief. In the long run, each thought requires and diserves interpretation within it's own right to discover what that belief truly describes.

    Eventually people find that all beliefs are just thoughts that describe similar aspects of the big picture but from a different angle whether one is looking at the whole picture or only a part of the picture. In other words, the principal(s) a belief or set of beliefs bring to one's attention tend to describe similar aspects of life's governing rule(s), and the variances are seen once one opens him/her-self to the focus of that particular thought and details expressed within a given belief because in the end one needs to realize that a single thought can be expressed many different ways, but only one way will appeal to a particular perspective.

    Basically, each belief is a peice of a puzzle that helps see the picture once they're all put together. That doesn't mean everyone will think the same, but people will be able to relate better by understanding the world we live in. A world of individuals free to express their lives to the fullest because the judgment of righteousness has passed, and all is left is for people to share understanding of one another.
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    Truely religion people are loving and caring and do not believe in discrimination. Most people typically brainwash the ignorant into believing religion is the cause of this or that simply because some madman used it as an excuse to do whatever. Hitler used religion as a helper for war but any true student of theology knows the guy was as christian as jesse jackson is white.
  14. Jun 14, 2005 #13


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    Interesting. May I recommend one to read "Jesus and Buddha, The Parallel Sayings", by Marcus Borg and Jack Kornfeld. Borg is a Christian scholar and Kornfield is a Buddhist scholar. Together they explore parallels between phrases in the Gospels and the Buddhist Sutta Pitaka, including the Dhammapada. In terms of values, Buddhism and Christianity are quite compatible. It is nice to see two scholars with such open minds.

    The Christian and Buddhist mysticism and mythologies are however quite different, as are the cultures in which these two religions propagated.
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  15. Jun 14, 2005 #14
    From a principal stand point, Budhism isn't that far off-base to western religions. For example, having a concept of karma is the same thing as reaping what you sow, or tithing in a way. Budhism also teaches that one should seek a higher consciousness by seperating oneself from the material world and coming to union with one's spirit, mind and soul. That would be the same thing as the trio in Christianity. And, there's more.

    I think the consensus is that if a particular said religion didn't exist then certain sufferings experienced thoughout history would have never occured; a typically reference are the many wars and disputes that occur in the Middle East. And, that's not the brainwashing of a single mad man.

    Of course those wars, as well as Hitler's campaign in WWII, are linked to religious views, but these wars aren't about religion. They're about land, money, and power. Religion was just a tool abused for one's own purpose because religion just so happens to be the easiest way to unit a group of people and conform them as one loyal faction that has the man power to fight for a single cause, and that's because religion naturally lays grounds for an assembly of individuals of similar beliefs who also share a belief in the same common good. That "good" is usually defined as the prosperity of them and their people of that same congregation. Needless to say, anyone not part of that group is considered an outsider who has the ability to threaten said prosperity because he/she does not share the same interests, therefore they're discriminated against if they don't show the required similarities defined by the social group.

    These people are religious, and they do follow a religion. Sadly, some people follow blindly, so they can't tell if they're being lead by another person or a higher being because they're consciousness never extends past oneself. Thus, they're led into suffering by what one can describe as a false prophet.

    Religion is also a tool one uses to help individuals or oneself discover a higher form of life that can be reached through awareness of this higher power by willingly applying imagination and discipline to his/her conscience with respect to a higher consciousness. However, religion can also be used to create socialism as I basically pointed out above. It all depends on who or what is the source that influences that consciousness one willingly gives him/her-self to. Essentially, people are at fault here for their suffering because they're the ones with free will. So religion can only be determined as the outlet one plugged into for a source that he/she then allowed to influence his/her decisions. However, when that source becomes the religion, the religion is blamed.
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  16. Jun 14, 2005 #15
    theoretically i think that it would be possible for all religeons to come to a mutual understanding...i dont really see a dire need to unite them all anyways, the study of any religeon will show parrallels and similarities, they all stemmed from the same ideas, acctually most religen's have the same basic principles of 'salvation' and the rest are arguments over details...you would never be able to truly combine such a wide variety of beliefs, but in truth...they really aren't that different...
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  18. Jun 18, 2005 #17
    Stop at red lights, go on green ones.

    Signal before turning in either direction

    Have working brake lights.

    Slow down through residential areas

    Respect individual rights and boundaries.

    Make ethics the predominating factor of every decision (where applicable, actually there's no way to remove ethics from your decisions, in any event. Consequences are an inevitable result of any decision.)





    Remain blameless

    Everyone go naked under their clothes.
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  19. Jul 9, 2005 #18


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    Well one issue would be whether or not a unified religion would be theistic or not - e.g. Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc vs secular humanism, ethical culturism, etc

    Beyond that, one can look for common tenets.

    Then make sure one of the tenets is "Keep religion out of politics, and politics out of religion" - unless one is planning otherwise.

    Consider the definition or religion from Arthur Dobrin, Leader Emeritus of the Long Island Ethical Humanist Society and an instructor at Hofstra University:
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  20. Jul 9, 2005 #19
    It could look like this :

    Look up the seven principles of Unitarian-Universalism www.uua.org. These are principles that are derived from all world religions/philosophies; predominately Christianity, Judiasm and Religious Humanism. These principles look/feel similar to the "Humanist Manifesto" 2nd.

    UUism learns/grows from all major religions, has no formal creed and considers the world bible to be the compilation of each individuals loose leaf pages. Around 300,000 members, liberal, middle class caucasian mostly (trying to change this). Free-Thinking bunch with approx 50% humanists, 20% theists, 15% earth centered/pagan and a little of this and that.
  21. Jul 10, 2005 #20
    I disagree with everyone here completely and I'm right to...

    All religions in existence are flawed and have been disproven and we don't know enough to create some sort of universal religion anyway. Maybe the universal religion would have some ideas generated thus far by ordinary religions, but science has solved more of our problems than religion, so it is reasonable to assume that a large bulk of this universal religion would have to be fresh undiscoverred material.

    Also it wouldn't involve tolerating other people's beliefs. A universal religion would have to be so correct that anyone who was exposed to it could deny the fact that everything they say is true and the only people left saying it isn't true would be the bat**** ****ing loco. The followers of this religion would stampede through the world crushing everything in debate in it's path and picking up followers as it went along, until eventually it becomes considerred as true as a rock lifted up and let go will fall to the ground.

    Can there ever be a universal religion, it does not seem so, but 600 years ago and most people thought that the only government that could exist was a military junta. It may well be possible.
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