Unusual Three-Poled Bar Magnet: An Unexplained Phenomenon in Physics Class

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The discussion centers around an unusual observation of a bar magnet exhibiting three poles: two North poles at either end and a South pole in the middle. Participants explore potential explanations for this phenomenon, which has arisen in a high school physics classroom setting during an experiment involving magnetic field mapping.

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Main Points Raised

  • A high school physics teacher reports a bar magnet with two North poles and one South pole, which deviates from the expected North/South configuration.
  • Some participants request visual aids, such as sketches or photographs, to clarify the pole positions and the experimental setup used to determine them.
  • One participant suggests that the configuration resembles an NSN arrangement, speculating that a stronger magnet may have influenced the observed poles.
  • Another participant expresses interest in the anomaly and acknowledges its intriguing nature.
  • The teacher notes that students initially mapped the magnetic field correctly, which contradicted their expectations and led to further investigation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the cause of the three-pole configuration, and multiple competing explanations are proposed without resolution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion lacks detailed experimental controls or definitions regarding the magnet's storage conditions and the influence of surrounding magnetic fields, which may be relevant to understanding the anomaly.

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Hello everyone!

I am a high school physics teacher, and I am witnessing something with a piece of classroom equipment I can't quite explain: I have a bar magnet with three poles. There's a North pole on the top AND bottom, and a south pole in the middle. This would make sense if two magnets had been fused together, but that is not the case.

The bar magnet was stored in the same place as all the other bar magnets, which are still functioning as simple N/S polar magnets, but this one somehow has a south pole in the center. The only difference is that the other magnets have partner magnets in their storage units, and this one did not, though I don't see how that could cause this.

Would anyone care to offer any potential explanations?
 
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hi
welcome to PF :)

can you draw a pic showing where you think the poles are ... just to make it clear to us

what experiment(s) did you do to determine the pole positions ?

cheers
Dave
 
Mr. Klapper said:
Hello everyone!

I am a high school physics teacher, and I am witnessing something with a piece of classroom equipment I can't quite explain: I have a bar magnet with three poles. There's a North pole on the top AND bottom, and a south pole in the middle. This would make sense if two magnets had been fused together, but that is not the case.

The bar magnet was stored in the same place as all the other bar magnets, which are still functioning as simple N/S polar magnets, but this one somehow has a south pole in the center. The only difference is that the other magnets have partner magnets in their storage units, and this one did not, though I don't see how that could cause this.

Would anyone care to offer any potential explanations?

And in addition to the sketch, if you could put a piece of paper on top of it and sprinkle on some iron filings, that would be helpful... :-)
 
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So, I feel as if the iron filings speak for themselves as opposed to a drawn picture. We discovered this anomaly when I assigned my students to use compasses to determine the magnetic field around a bar magnet, and they drew this. I told them it was wrong, and went to correct me, and they insisted it was right. I took a look at their compass map around it, and to my surprise, it was the way it looks in the picture. Two similar poles on each end of the bar magnet, and then one different pole in the center.
I gave them another bar magnet, and they saw the way it is usually configured.
See for yourself.
(PS: sorry about the learning goal and scale in the background of the picture.)
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Looks like NSN to me. Must have had a stronger magnet SN packed on top on the right side.
 
That's an interesting anomaly! Thanks for sharing. :oldsmile:
 

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