Up/down electron gun construction?

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The discussion revolves around the construction of an up/down electron gun capable of injecting equal numbers of up and down spin electrons into a chamber. Participants explore the feasibility of existing devices, methods of electron production, and the implications of electron spin in various contexts, including thermionic emission and potential experimental setups.

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Main Points Raised

  • Taylaron inquires about devices that can produce equal numbers of up and down spin electrons and expresses familiarity with thermionic emission from tungsten wires.
  • Some participants provide links to resources explaining electron spin production and applications in spintronics, noting how magnetic fields can influence electron spin orientation.
  • There is a question about the expected polarization of electrons emitted from a thermionic source, with some suggesting that spins may be randomly oriented without an external magnetic field.
  • One participant asserts that if spins are random, then approximately 50% of emitted electrons will be deflected upward and 50% downward after passing through a magnetic field.
  • A participant proposes using a tesla coil or flyback transformer as an electron source in ambient atmosphere, questioning the viability of such a setup compared to traditional electron guns.
  • Concerns are raised about the challenges of electron emission in the presence of air molecules, suggesting that it may not function as intended.
  • Another participant mentions that moving electrons can exist in gas, but the resulting behavior would differ from that of a conventional electron gun.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the polarization of emitted electrons and the feasibility of constructing an electron gun using alternative sources. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effectiveness of using a tesla coil in ambient conditions and the implications of electron spin in the proposed setups.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding assumptions about electron spin orientation, the effects of external magnetic fields, and the practical challenges of electron emission in atmospheric conditions. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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up/down electron gun construction??

Greetings!
I'm working on a project that Requires a roughly equal number of up and down spin electrons to be injected into a (vacuum or ATP) chamber. Is there a common device that does this? If not, would it be possible to build one and how would it work? I'm familiar with how electrons in certain devices are produced by "boiling" electrons off a hot tungsten wire, but what is the ratio of up to down spin electrons?

Thanks,
Taylaron
 
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Here is a website that explains how spin up and spin down electrons are produced and also, how a spin analyzer is constructed:
http://web.utk.edu/~cnattras/Phys250Fall2012/modules/module%203/spin.htm


Here is website describing an experiment where the electrons’ spin is used to store data using “spintronics”:

“In the prototype device, electrons pass into the polymer, and a magnetic field orients them as spin up or spin down. The electrons can then pass into the conventional magnetic layer, but only if the spin of electrons there are oriented in the same way. If they are not, the resistance is too high for the electrons to pass. So the researchers were able to read spin data from their device based on whether the resistance was high or low.”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100809171533.htm
 
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taylaron said:
I'm familiar with how electrons in certain devices are produced by "boiling" electrons off a hot tungsten wire, but what is the ratio of up to down spin electrons?
Do you have any reason to expect a preferred polarization there? Without an external magnetic field, you do not even have a meaningful direction to say "this is up".
 


mfb said:
Do you have any reason to expect a preferred polarization there? Without an external magnetic field, you do not even have a meaningful direction to say "this is up".

Are you suggesting that there are roughly equal amounts of up/down spin electrons from a source utilizing thermonic emission? If it's safe to assume that the spins of each emitted electron are random, then that would be acceptable to me. In my experiment I don't need to readily distinguish between up and down electrons, only that there exist roughly equal amounts.

Thanks!
 


Since the spins of the electrons from the electron gun are randomly oriented, 50% of the electrons in the beam are deflected upward and the other 50% are deflected downward. Before the magnet we cannot predict whether an individual electron will be deflected upward or downward. But after an electron has passed through the magnet, we know the z-component of its spin. We have constructed a spin analyzer.
http://web.utk.edu/~cnattras/Phys250Fall2012/modules/module%203/spin.htm


Perfect! Thanks Bobbywhy!
 
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If I wanted to make an electron gun in the ambient atmosphere, could I use the negative terminal of a tesla coil or flyback transformer as the electron source, then use a series of HV plates to accelerate the electrons like a traditional electron uses? Could I even bust off the ends of a CRT electron gun, replace the tungsten element with the output of the tesla coil? Does the electron emission of a tesla coil even compare to that of a CRT monitor’s tungsten element?
 


taylaron said:
If I wanted to make an electron gun in the ambient atmosphere, could I use the negative terminal of a tesla coil or flyback transformer as the electron source, then use a series of HV plates to accelerate the electrons like a traditional electron uses? Could I even bust off the ends of a CRT electron gun, replace the tungsten element with the output of the tesla coil? Does the electron emission of a tesla coil even compare to that of a CRT monitor’s tungsten element?

You realize that electrons cannot go anywhere without running into air molecules right? At best you would have an electric current that ionizes the air.
 


You can have moving electrons in gas - but it will not look like a gun, you get something similar to a drift chamber.
 

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