Update on liquid water on Mars - maybe it is sand?

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The discussion centers on the recent findings regarding the presence of liquid water on Mars, specifically contrasting earlier claims with new research suggesting that observed material movement may be due to sand rather than water. The conversation explores implications for potential life on Mars, the composition of Martian water, and the historical context of water's origins on the planet.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference NASA's 2015 announcement about liquid water on Mars, noting that new studies propose sand as a possible explanation for material transport.
  • There is speculation about the presence of frozen water on Mars and its potential use in experiments, though some argue this is unrelated to the current findings.
  • One participant suggests that any water found on Mars will likely be remnants of cometary ices, raising questions about the duration and conditions under which it exists.
  • Another participant mentions the D/H ratio of Martian water, indicating it does not align with comet water, suggesting a different origin.
  • Several participants express interest in following up on the comet analysis and the implications for understanding Martian water composition.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliability of findings, with references to the potential for misleading claims or fraud in the search for Martian life.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of water on Mars, its origins, and the implications for life. There is no consensus on these points, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of on-site confirmation regarding the composition of Martian water and highlight the speculative nature of current understanding, with references to various studies and analyses that may not yet provide definitive answers.

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NASA announced in 2015 that they found some evidence for the existence of liquid water on Mars today - at least temporarily and underground.

A new study comes to a different conclusion and proposes sand as origin of the observed material transport downhill.

As interesting as these features are, the rovers on the ground stay away from them - exactly because they are interesting. The rovers are not completely sterile, so NASA avoids going close to places where there is a remote chance that life could survive.
 
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Does that question that significant amount of frozen water can be found? (Possibly used by a small greenhouse experiment?)
 
This is unrelated to the ice that has been found independently.
 
Here is a Science magazine news article interviewing one of the guys who did this research.
Lots in statements about lots of interesting subjects: RSL, water on Mars, where to look for life, ...
 
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Tardigrades could make the crossing and survive. It would be interesting to see how well they mobilized and reproduced (if at all) under the extreme conditions of Mars; not to mention what would they eat.
 
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In my (unverified) opinion the only water we will find on Mars, will test out to be remnants of cometary ices. Of recent bombardment, on a random basis. Of short duration before evaporation and sublimation to Solar radiation.

Maybe, under all the gigatonnage of debris left from billions of years of rocks falling from space. Maybe, we'll find a few, very ancient archaic fossils. Maybe, maybe not.

"By Popular Demand!" Most likely to be found will be Piltdown Man type frauds. To fleece the hopeful and defraud the gullible.
 
r8chard said:
In my (unverified) opinion the only water we will find on Mars, will test out to be remnants of cometary ices.

The D/H ratio of Martian water doesn't fit to comet water (if the values from 67P are representative).
 
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DrS, I would be interested in following up on your information. Could you please include a pointer to the comet analysis.
 
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r8chard said:
In my (unverified) opinion the only water we will find on Mars, will test out to be remnants of cometary ices. Of recent bombardment, on a random basis. Of short duration before evaporation and sublimation to Solar radiation.

Maybe, under all the gigatonnage of debris left from billions of years of rocks falling from space. Maybe, we'll find a few, very ancient archaic fossils. Maybe, maybe not.

"By Popular Demand!" Most likely to be found will be Piltdown Man type frauds. To fleece the hopeful and defraud the gullible.
I believe that some of the water on Earth is also thought to have come from 'somewhere' non-terrestrial too. See this link and also look at Wiki.
 

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