Urban Graduate Schools in Physics

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The discussion revolves around identifying suitable physics graduate schools located in urban areas with high population density and accessible public transportation systems. Participants express interest in both prestigious institutions and those that are more attainable for admission, particularly in the field of condensed matter physics, encompassing both experimental and theoretical aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest well-known institutions such as University of Chicago, Columbia University, Georgia Tech, MIT, Harvard, and Stanford as options for graduate studies.
  • Others highlight the importance of public transportation accessibility, noting that while Georgia Tech is in Atlanta, its rail system may not be as comprehensive as those in Chicago or New York.
  • There is a request for recommendations on schools that are easier to get into, with NYU and CUNY being mentioned as potential options.
  • Participants discuss the merits of Wayne State University (WSU), with mixed opinions on its reputation and the quality of its physics program, particularly in relation to its location in Detroit.
  • Concerns are raised about Detroit's mass transit system being inadequate, which could impact living without a car.
  • UPenn is mentioned as having a good condensed matter program, though its mass transit system is described as poor.
  • UMass Amherst is noted for its good physics department and bus system, although it is not considered a large city.
  • McGill University in Montreal is suggested as an alternative urban option for graduate studies in physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the suitability of various universities, with some agreeing on the quality of certain programs while others contest the accessibility and transportation options associated with those schools. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best options for graduate schools that meet all specified criteria.

Contextual Notes

Participants' recommendations depend on personal experiences and perceptions of urban living, public transportation availability, and the reputation of institutions, which may vary widely. There are also unresolved questions about the adequacy of transportation systems in specific cities.

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'Lo all,

I am wondering what are some good physics graduate schools that are in very urban areas. And by urban, I mean has a population density high enough for a frequently used rail system (ie, New York, Chicago, London), and preferably > 500,000 people. Only exception is LA and San Diego. I want to get away from Southern California.

I want schools that are famous and hard to get into, but also I want solid schools that offer good graduate programs but are more possible for humans to get into.

I am interested in condensed matter physics, both experimental and theoretical.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Er... University of Chicago, Columbia University, Georgia Tech, University of Washington... etc... etc. There are tons of them!

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...and to complete the list (in the US): MIT, Harvard, Berkeley, Stanford, UMd (all locations are connected by commuter rail systems).
 
If you want to live without a car, I think you might find Georgia Tech frustrating. Atlanta does have a rail system, but it doesn't serve nearly as many destinations as say Chicago's or New York's, and most bus routes don't run very often. I think there only a couple of bus routes in the whole city that run as often as every fifteen minutes. I can't speak to Georgia Tech itself, but I've visited Atlanta and used its rail and bus system.
 
Alright. But those are all top 20 or so schools. I also want to know of some schools that are not as difficult to get into, but would nevertheless provide a solid education.

What do you people think of NYU and CUNY grad programs? Would they fit the bill as being easier to get into but still providing a great education in the city?
 
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Again assuming that living without a car is important, I'd like to point out that in many smaller university towns/cities, it's quite possible to do without a car, at least for local transportation, provided that you're able and willing to walk or bicycle a lot.

I went to grad school at the University of Michigan and lived for eight years in Ann Arbor. I owned a car for only about a year and a half there, at the end of my stay. I lived close enough to campus that I could either walk or ride a free university shuttle bus to get to class and work. But usually I rode my bike, which also provided most of my transportation around town. The city is small enough physically that I could easily bicycle most everywhere I wanted to go. When the weather was bad, or I didn't want to take my bike for some reason, I rode the buses; Ann Arbor has a very good bus system for a city its size.

The main problem with not having a car was not having many options for going out of town, except for Detroit and Chicago which I could reach easily by train or bus. I think a couple of times I did rent a car for weekend trips.
 
Rely on public transportation. I'm in Kansas for an internship, WITHOUT a car. Yes, WITHOUT a car... I'm still managing. It takes 1hr 10min to travel via bus, for a 5.7 mile route. You will have to make some sacrifices.
 
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tiyusufaly said:
Alright. But those are all top 20 or so schools. I also want to know of some schools that are not as difficult to get into, but would nevertheless provide a solid education.

What do you people think of NYU and CUNY grad programs? Would they fit the bill as being easier to get into but still providing a great education in the city?

http://www.clas.wayne.edu/physics/

maybe wayne state university? You'll get a solid graduate education there. Only problem is it's in Detroit. Otherwise, the faculty and people there are very friendly and supportive.
 
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Hmm, WSU for physics...
 
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DefaultName said:
WSU sucks.

:rolleyes: It's not a bad school. Some solid research is going on there. It is actually quite underrated due to its location.

And he said he wanted schools that were a bit more feasible to get accepted to.
 
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Yea WSU is a good suggestion. I don't think it "sucks" at all. Thanks leright, that is interesting.

But does Detroit have a good mass transit system?
 
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tiyusufaly said:
But does Detroit have a good mass transit system?

No. Not at all. This is a major downside. :-p

But what field of physics are you interested in? If you're interested in Elementary particle physics experiment or theory then WSU has a lot going on. Thgey are alsl doing a lot of nuclear and condensed matter stuff.

BTW, I'm just an REU there. I don't go to school there.
 
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UPenn has a very good condensed matter program, but isn't quite as impossible to get into as the other big name schools listed above. Philadelphia has a pathetic mass transit system, but it's a great walking city, and it has a new car sharing program that is pretty cheap and convenient for occasional trips out of the city. Most grad students I know here don't own cars.
 
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I don't know if he's just planning on living without a car or wants to live in a city or maybe both?

umass amherst has a good physics department (very good in condensed matter), and has a very good bus system. When I'm up at school my car sits in the parking lot and only gets used if I have to make a road trip, its far easier to use the bus system to get around. Also because the town is essentially built around the local colleges everything is very compact.But I won't kid you there isn't much of a city in amherst, allthough about 6 miles from Amherst is Northhampton which could qualify as a city.
 
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Why not Mcgill in Montreal city ?
 

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