Use of phasor representation in physics

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The discussion revolves around the use of phasor representation in physics, particularly in the context of Maxwell's equations and its implications for electromagnetic fields. Participants explore the relevance of phasors in various applications, especially in AC circuits and linear systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that phasors are beneficial for analyzing waves of constant frequency, particularly in AC circuits, and are primarily applicable to linear systems.
  • One participant questions the implications of converting Maxwell's equations to phasor form by substituting time derivatives with jw, seeking to understand the significance of removing the time factor from the equations.
  • Another participant explains that working in frequency space allows for the application of transforms like Laplace and Fourier, indicating that the assumption of harmonic waves leads to the phasor form of Maxwell's equations.
  • It is noted that properties of media become simpler in phasor representation, as certain relationships hold true only for single frequencies, contrasting with the more complex time-domain representations.
  • A later reply mentions that one can assume a time dependence of exp(jwt) without losing generality, due to the principle of superposition, allowing for the analysis of multiple frequency components separately.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the implications and applications of phasor representation, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus on the significance of removing the time factor from Maxwell's equations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion touches on the limitations of phasor representation, including its dependence on the assumption of linearity and constant frequency, as well as the complexities introduced when dealing with multiple frequency components.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in physics and engineering, particularly those focusing on electromagnetism, wave theory, and circuit analysis.

Abel I Daniel
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Why do we use phasor representation in physics..For example,why we need maxwells equation in phasor form as well??
 
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Phasors are good for waves of constant frequency ... hence electrical engineers use them for AC circuits, and they use them a lot.

So you will probably only use phasors while studying AC circuits; they are useful only for linear systems.
 
ok ,thank you for the reply...what made me ask this question is-i saw maxwells equations(electromagnetic) written in phasor form from dpoint form by just substituting d/dt with jw..So what my questin is ,what is the implication of removing that time factor from that equation??
 
They were working in frequency space ... same place you go with the Laplace transform, or its cousin the Fourier transform.

In this case they assumed that the electromagnetic field was a harmonic wave - and plugged this into Maxwell's equations - leaving you with the "Phasor form of Maxwell's equations".

Here is a lecture which includes the derivation: http://ivp.ee.cuhk.edu.hk/~ele3310/data/ELE3310_Tutorial_10.pdf
 
Another reason is that properties of media are "easy". For example, for electric field:
<br /> \mathbf{D} = \epsilon_0 \mathbf{E} + \mathbf{P}<br />
but it is only for a single frequency that
<br /> \mathbf{P}(\omega) = \epsilon_0 \chi_e (\omega) \mathbf{E}(\omega).<br />
In the time domain we in general have a convolution,
<br /> \mathbf{P}(t) = \epsilon_0 \int^t d\tau \, \, \, \chi_e (\tau) \mathbf{E}(t-\tau).<br />

jason
 
Abel I Daniel said:
ok ,thank you for the reply...what made me ask this question is-i saw maxwells equations(electromagnetic) written in phasor form from dpoint form by just substituting d/dt with jw..So what my questin is ,what is the implication of removing that time factor from that equation??

You can assume a time dependence of exp(jwt) without losing generality due to the principle of superposition. For incident fields with multiple frequency components, you can solve Maxwell's equations for each frequency component, then sum the solutions at the end as required.

Claude.
 

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