Using Tensor Notations and Levi Civita Symbol to Prove Lagrange's Identity

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The discussion revolves around proving Lagrange's identity using tensor notations and the Levi Civita symbol. Participants explore the application of these mathematical tools in the context of vector operations, specifically focusing on the cross product and dot product of vectors.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests ideas for proving Lagrange's identity using tensor notations and the Levi Civita symbol.
  • Another participant inquires about representing the dot product on the left side using the Levi Civita symbol, expressing limited familiarity with its applications.
  • A third participant provides a relevant identity involving the Levi Civita symbol, suggesting its use in the proof.
  • One participant describes the components of the cross product in terms of the Levi Civita symbol and attempts to express the dot product of two cross products.
  • A subsequent reply discusses deriving terms from the components and speculates on the total number of terms expected on the right-hand side of the identity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the total number of terms in the proof and the application of the Levi Civita symbol, indicating that multiple views and approaches are present without a consensus.

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Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical steps involved in the proof, and there are assumptions about the representation of vector operations that remain unclarified.

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Dear all,

Any idea for the proof of the Lagrange's identity using tensor notations and Levi Civita symbol?

(a x b).(c x d)=(a.c)(b.d) - (a.d)(b.c)

x: cross product
a,b,c,d: vectors

Thanks
 
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Ok, thanks, in future i will be more careful.

What about the dot product on the left side, how can i use Levi Civita symbol to represent it.
Actually, the identity that you wrote and the cross product representation are all i know about the Levi Civita symbol but i couldn't use them.
 
Use the following identity:

εijkεimn = δjmδkn - δjnδkm

Also, in future, post questions like this in the homework section of PF, and tell us a little about how you've tried to solve the problem.
 
advphys said:
Ok, thanks, in future i will be more careful.

What about the dot product on the left side, how can i use Levi Civita symbol to represent it.
Actually, the identity that you wrote and the cross product representation are all i know about the Levi Civita symbol but i couldn't use them.
The i component of a x b is ajbkεijk and the i component of c x d is cmdnεimn

So their dot product is ajbkcmdnεijkεimn
 
ok from there,
ajcjbkdk-ajdjbkck
and i assume, similar form can be obtained for j and k components by just replacingg j s with k s, i s with j s and k s with i s. And in total i have 6 terms, 2 terms from each component. Am i right?

But, on the right had side i think i should have more than 6 terms?
 

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