Variable Mass:Sand from balloon

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a balloon releasing sand at a constant rate while experiencing an upthrust. The initial conditions establish that the balloon is in equilibrium, with the upthrust balancing gravitational forces. As the sand is released, the mass of the system changes, leading to a differential equation for velocity. The participants work through the momentum equations and integration to derive the velocity function, ultimately expressing it in terms of the initial mass of the sand and the time taken to release it. The final expression for velocity incorporates logarithmic terms and gravitational effects, highlighting the relationship between mass loss and acceleration.
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Homework Statement


A balloon of mass M contains a bag of sand of initial mass ##m_o##. The balloon experiences a constant upthrust and is initially at rest and in equilibrium: the upthrust compensates exactly for the gravitational force. At time t=0, the sand is released at a constant rate. It is fully disposed of in time ##t_o##. Determine the velocity ##v(t)## at any time between t=0 and ##t=t_o##. Express the result in terms of $$k = \frac{m_o}{M+m_o} \frac{1}{t_o}$$

The Attempt at a Solution



At t=0, sand released at constant rate, ##\alpha## say. So, ##\frac{dm}{dt} = -\alpha, ##m the mass of the sand bag. Solve the above to give ##m_s(t) = m_o - \alpha t##

The mass of the whole system (balloon + sand bag), ##M(t) = M + m_o -\alpha t##

By NII, $$P(t+\Delta t) - P(t) = F_{ext} \Delta t \Rightarrow M(t + \Delta t)v(t + \Delta t) - M(t)v(t) = F_{ext}\Delta t$$

Taylor expand the first two terms to give $$(M(t) + \Delta t \dot{M})(v(t) + \Delta t \dot{v}) - M(t)v(t) = [(M + m_o)g - M(t)g]\Delta t,\,\,F_{ext} = (M + m_o)g - M(t)g$$

Collect terms ignore the (very small) ##\Delta t^2## term to get $$\dot{v} - \frac{\alpha}{M + m_o - \alpha t}v = \frac{(M+m_o)g - M(t)g}{M + m_o - \alpha t},$$ which can be solved by integrating factor.

Does it look good so far? When I look at the solution, they end up doing just an ordinary integration.

Many thanks.
 
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##P(t+\Delta t)## should include the momentum of all of the material that is included in ##P(t)##. That would include not only the material still left in the balloon at ##t+\Delta t## but also the sand material that was released during the interval ##\Delta t##.
 
TSny said:
##P(t+\Delta t)## should include the momentum of all of the material that is included in ##P(t)##. That would include not only the material still left in the balloon at ##t+\Delta t## but also the sand material that was released during the interval ##\Delta t##.

##P(t + \Delta t)## is the momentum of the material still left in the balloon after ##\Delta t## and the momentum of the sand released in that ##\Delta t##. So I should have had something like: $$P(t + \Delta t) = M(t+\Delta t)v(t+\Delta t) - dm(v+dv),$$ dv the change in velocity as a result of disposing the sand.

This will reduce the eqn to $$M(t)dv = (M+m_o)g - M(t)g$$ Is it better?
 
CAF123 said:
This will reduce the eqn to $$M(t)dv = (M+m_o)g - M(t)g$$ Is it better?

Yes, that looks good (but you dropped a ##dt## somewhere).
 
CAF123 said:
So I should have had something like: $$P(t + \Delta t) = M(t+\Delta t)v(t+\Delta t) - dm(v+dv),$$ dv the change in velocity as a result of disposing the sand.

Maybe a minor point: For the last term ##dm(v+dv)## you could use just ##v## instead of ##v+dv## since you only need terms to first order.
 
TSny said:
Yes, that looks good (but you dropped a ##dt## somewhere).
So integrating from v(t=0) to v and from t=0 to t gives: $$\int_0^v dv = (M+m_o)g\int_0^t \frac{dt}{M+m_o - \alpha t} - gt$$

This gives $$v(t) = \frac{(M+m_o)g}{\alpha} \ln \left(\frac{M+m_o}{M+m_o-\alpha t}\right) - gt$$

Is there another way to express ##\alpha##?
 
You should be able to express ##\alpha## in terms of ##m_0## and ##t_0##.
 
That would be ##\alpha = m_o/t_o##.
 
CAF123 said:
That would be ##\alpha = m_o/t_o##.
Right.
 
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