Variational Technique for Derivatives of $\phi$

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The discussion focuses on the variational technique for calculating the variation of the term \(\sqrt{\eta^{\mu \nu}\partial_{\mu}\phi \partial_{\nu}\phi}\) under the variation of \(\phi\). The correct approach involves applying the chain rule, leading to the expression \(\delta(\sqrt{\eta^{\mu \nu}\partial_{\mu}\phi \partial_{\nu}\phi}) = \frac{1}{2\sqrt{\eta^{\mu \nu}\partial_{\mu}\phi \partial_{\nu}\phi}} \delta(\eta^{\mu \nu}\partial_{\mu}\phi \partial_{\nu}\phi)\). The discussion clarifies that the derivative part does not depend on \(\phi\) itself, which can lead to confusion. Understanding the definition of the derivative is crucial for correctly applying these principles.

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Suppose I try to find variation of the term \phi^2 under variation of \phi i.e., (\delta \phi). Then I take derivative of \phi^2 with respect to \phi and multiply by \delta \phi. In case of more complicated objects containing derivative of \phi what is the procedure? for example:
[tex] \delta(\sqrt{\eta^{\mu \nu}\partial_{\mu}\phi \partial_{\nu}\phi})[/tex]
what is the variation of this quantity under variation of \phi?
 
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Is the rule here
[tex] \delta(\sqrt{\eta^{\mu \nu}\partial_{\mu}\phi \partial_{\nu}\phi})=\frac{\partial(\sqrt{\eta^{\mu \nu}\partial_{\mu}\phi \partial_{\nu}\phi})}{\partial \phi}\delta(\eta^{\mu \nu}\partial_{\mu}\phi \partial_{\nu}\phi)[/tex]
But then the derivative part creates problem. The part under square root depends on derivative of \phi and not on \phi itself, so the result is zero. I am confused.
 
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Always go back to the definition of the derivative:

[tex]\delta F[\phi] = F[\phi + \delta \phi] - F[\phi][/tex].

In any case, in your case the chain rule applies:
[tex] <br /> \delta(\sqrt{\eta^{\mu \nu}\partial_{\mu}\phi \partial_{\nu}\phi})=<br /> \frac{1}{ 2\sqrt{\eta^{\mu \nu}\partial_{\mu}\phi \partial_{\nu}\phi} }<br /> \delta(\eta^{\mu \nu}\partial_{\mu}\phi \partial_{\nu}\phi)<br /> [/tex]
 

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