Vector Spaces, Subsets, and Subspaces

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The discussion revolves around identifying a subset of R² that is closed under vector addition and taking additive inverses, yet does not qualify as a subspace of R². The original poster expresses confusion about how a subset can fail to meet the criteria for being a subspace despite being closed under certain operations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore examples of subsets, such as sets of integer pairs and rational pairs, discussing their closure properties under addition and scalar multiplication.

Discussion Status

Several participants have contributed examples and reasoning regarding the properties of subsets in relation to subspaces. There is an ongoing exploration of the necessary conditions for a subset to be classified as a subspace, particularly focusing on scalar multiplication.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes that they understand the subset { (0,0) } is a subspace, indicating a baseline knowledge of vector space properties. The discussion includes the requirement for closure under scalar multiplication as a critical factor in determining subspace status.

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Homework Statement




What is an example of a subset of R^2 which is closed under vector addition and taking additive inverses which is not a subspace of R^2?

R, in this question, is the real numbers.


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I know that, for example, V={(0,0)} is a subset for R^2 that is also a subspace, but I can't figure out how something can be a subset and not a subspace.



The Attempt at a Solution



Does this have anything to do with scalar multiplication being closed on the vector space?
 
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Think about the set of all (x,y) where x and y are both integers.
 
So for example, if we let the subset = (a,b) s.t. a,b are elements of Z. Then it is closed under addition but not under scalar multiplication. i.e. Let (a,b) = (1,3) and multiply by 1/2 for example (which is the example we used to figure it out). Then you get (1/2, 3/2), neither of which are in Z.
 
Sure, but it does have additive inverses.
 
Dick said:
Think about the set of all (x,y) where x and y are both integers.

or both rational numbers
 
mrroboto said:

Homework Statement




What is an example of a subset of R^2 which is closed under vector addition and taking additive inverses which is not a subspace of R^2?

R, in this question, is the real numbers.


Homework Equations



I know that, for example, V={(0,0)} is a subset for R^2 that is also a subspace, but I can't figure out how something can be a subset and not a subspace.
It's very easy to be a subset without being a subspace! Just look at any subset that does not satisfy the requirements for a subpace- what about { (1, 0)}?



The Attempt at a Solution



Does this have anything to do with scalar multiplication being closed on the vector space?
In order for a subset to be a subspace, it must be closed under addition, have additive inverses, and be closed under scalar multiplication. Since you are asked about a subset that IS closed under addition and has additive inverses, looks like there is only one thing left!
 

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