# Vector valued functions and normal vectors

1. Jun 13, 2010

### ahmetbaba

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
Find T(t), N(t), aT, and aN

r(t)= <wt-sinwt,1-coswt> t=t0

2. Relevant equations

3. The attempt at a solution

2. Jun 13, 2010

### LCKurtz

You are apparently new here. To receive help on a problem such as this you are expected to fill in parts 2 and 3 to show what you know and what you have tried, and where you are stuck. Nobody here will just work the problem for you.

3. Jun 13, 2010

### gabbagabbahey

You need to make some attempt at the problem in order to receive assistance here. Your textbook should have formulas for finding the (unit?) tangent and normal for a general curve...

4. Jun 13, 2010

### ahmetbaba

Yeah, i'm new, so lets see.

r(t0)= (wt0-sinwt0)i + ( 1-coswt0)j

v(t0)= r(t0)'. Well this is the first place I'm stuck, I don't know what w stands for. The instructor didn't get this far, however the h-w is due, and this is one of the questions.

a(t0)= v(t0)'

T(t0)= r'(t0)/[r'(t0)]

N(t0)= T'(t)/[T'(t)]

aT= a.T=v.a/[v]

aN=a.N=[v x a]/[v]

So,

If I could do the first two derivatives of this problem, I should be fine. oh, and the [] stand for magnitude(length) of the vectors.

5. Jun 14, 2010

### gabbagabbahey

"w" is just a constant (angular frequency), so treat it like one and find the derivatives of r(t)...

6. Jun 14, 2010

### HallsofIvy

This is mathematics, not physics! For the mathematics, it doesn't matter what the letters stand for. The variable is t0 and that is all you need to know to differentiate. "w" (its really $\omega$, the Greek letter "omega", commonly used for "angular frequency" as gabbagabbahey said, but, again, you don't need to know that to solve this problem.) is just a constant.

Do you know how to find the derivatives, with respect to t, of "at", "sin(bt)", and "cos(bt)"? That's all you need.