Vectors & Section Formula: Proving Collinearity

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In the discussion on proving collinearity using vectors and the section formula, participants work through a problem involving triangle ABC, where points D, E, and F divide the sides in specific ratios. They utilize the section formula to derive the position vectors for points D, E, and F, ultimately leading to the conclusion that vectors BE and EF are equal. This equality demonstrates that points B, E, and F are collinear, confirming the ratio BE:EF as 1:1. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the section formula and the logic behind determining ratios in vector calculations.
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Help! Vectors!

Homework Statement



In the triangle ABC, D divides AB in the ratio 3:2, E divides DC in the ratio 1:5 and F divides AC in the ratio 1:2. Show (using position vectors and the section formula) that B, E and F are collinear and find BE:EF


Homework Equations



Section formula = \frac{m \textbf{a} = n\textbf{b}}{m+n}

The Attempt at a Solution


Other than drawing this out, and spotting that they look like they're kind of in a line.
This isn't due for homework or anything, I'm just revising, so it would be really useful if someone cold explain this to me.

Any ideas?
 
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Hi andrew.c! :smile:

Use the section formula to find the vectors D E and F

for example, F = … ? :smile:
 


F = \frac{a+2c}{3} ?
 
andrew.c said:
F divides AC in the ratio 1:2.
andrew.c said:
F = \frac{a+2c}{3} ?

Almost … but it's closer to A,

so f = (2a + c)/3 :wink:

Next, what are D and E? :smile:
 


AD/DB = 3/2

sec. formula...

\frac{3a+2b}{5}

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DE/EC = 1/5

sec. formula...

\frac{d+5c}{6}
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I still don't really understand which value in the ratio is m and which is n, I am just reading it as AD/DB = m/n. Is this right?
 
andrew.c said:
I still don't really understand which value in the ratio is m and which is n …

Forget the formula

I never remember which way round it is …

I just ask myself each time "which one is it nearer?"

so if DE:EC = 1:5, then it's nearer D, so … ? :smile:
 


ok, i get that logic :)

so it would be...

D = \frac{2a+3b}{5}

and

E = \frac{5d+6}{c}
 
Yup! :biggrin:

(except for the obvious mistake … quick! edit it before anyone else notices! :wink:)

ok, now you have the vectors for B E and F …

how can you prove they're collinear? :smile:
 


OK, so I have...

D = \frac{2a+3b}{5} E=\frac{5d+c}{6} and F = \frac{2a+C}{3}

For collinearity, I need to prove that BE is parallel to EF, with a common point at E?

I tried this, but not sure if its right - i got the bottom lines to be the same, but my notes indicate that they should be a scalar multiple of each other!

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Sub. D into E to get...

E = \frac{2a+3b+c}{6}

BE = e-b<br /> =\frac{2a+3b+c}{6} - b<br /> =\frac{2a+3b+c}{6}-\frac{6b}{6}<br /> =\frac{2a-3b+c}{6}

EF = f-e<br /> =\frac{2a+c}{3}-\frac{2a+3b+c}{6}<br /> =\frac{4a-2c}{6} -\frac{2a+3b+c}{6}<br /> =\frac{2a-3b+c}{6}

Since they are equal, and E was a common point, they are collinear?

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Is BE:EF just 1:1 ?

Thanks for your help btw!
 
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andrew.c said:
… Since they are equal, and E was a common point, they are collinear?

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Is BE:EF just 1:1 ?

Thanks for your help btw!

Yes, that's very good

(except you typed a minus for a plus in the last line :rolleyes:)

the vectors BE and EF are exactly the same, in other words BE = EF, so yes, obviously it's 1:1 :smile:
 
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Ta muchly for your help!

Now i need to tackle vectors intercepting planes. Oh joy of joys!
 
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