Vertically driven mass against spring

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The discussion revolves around calculating the input energy for a 1kg mass driven vertically against a spring with a spring rate of 400N/m, reaching a height of 0.180m. The user is confused about the formula E=mgS+kS² and why it differs from simply adding gravitational and spring energies. It is clarified that the average acceleration during spring compression must be considered, as it affects the work done. The realization that the acceleration is not constant leads to a better understanding of the energy calculations. The conversation concludes with the user expressing gratitude for the clarification on average acceleration's role in the energy derivation.
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Im not sure which is the correct theory to use for this problem.
A mass 1kg is driven vertically upwards against a spring. The spring has no initial compression and a spring rate of 400N/m. The mass will reach a height of 0.180m.
What is the input energy if ideal conditions are assumed here.
I have been given the formula E=mgS+kS²,
but do not understand why simply adding :
E(gravity)=mgS and E(spring)=½kS² do not give me the same value.
Further to this, what would be the effect of adding preload to the spring?
 
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rob78 said:
I have been given the formula E=mgS+kS²,
Looks like a typo to me.
but do not understand why simply adding :
E(gravity)=mgS and E(spring)=½kS² do not give me the same value.
I suspect that's what they meant to do.
 
Thanks,
The derivation for E=mgS+kS² went like this:
V²=U²+2aS, V=0
therefore,
U²=-2aS, where a=g(9.81)
KE=½mU²
Substituting gives:
KE=½m*(2gS) = mgS

adding in the spring, Fspring=kS
the deceleration will now be (g+[kS/m])
which will give:
KE=[g+(kS/m)]*mS = gms+kS²

working this through, I can't see any errors but maybe I am missing something?
 
rob78 said:
The derivation for E=mgS+kS² went like this:
V²=U²+2aS, V=0
therefore,
U²=-2aS, where a=g(9.81)
KE=½mU²
Substituting gives:
KE=½m*(2gS) = mgS
Here only gravity acts. The acceleration is constant.

adding in the spring, Fspring=kS
the deceleration will now be (g+[kS/m])
which will give:
KE=[g+(kS/m)]*mS = gms+kS²
The error here is that the acceleration is no longer constant. Hint: What's the average acceleration as the spring compresses from x = 0 to x = S?
 
OK,
The average acceleration will be ½kS, meaning that this now gives the work done to compress the spring from rest for the second half, and gravitational energy for the first half.
Excellent, that's what I had expected but had missed the point of it being average. This now makes sense, MANY THANKS.
 
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