Vibration problem given Force,length and mass

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The problem involves a flexible wire that is fixed at two ends on a sonometer, with given parameters such as length, mass, and applied force. The question focuses on identifying which frequency is not possible for the wire's vibrations.

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  • Participants discuss the relevance of equations for simple harmonic motion versus those for standing waves on a string. There is an exploration of the relationship between frequency, tension, and mass per unit length, with some questioning the values used for length and mass in calculations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some suggesting that the original poster may have misinterpreted the parameters. There is a recognition that the frequencies provided in the multiple-choice options may not align with the calculations based on the given values.

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There is a noted discrepancy regarding the length of the wire used in calculations versus the total length of the wire. The original poster is also uncertain about the correctness of the multiple-choice answers provided.

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Homework Statement


A flexible wire 80 cm long has a mass of 0.40g. It is stretched across stops on a sonometer that are 50cm apart by a force of 500N. The wire may vibrate at the following frequencies except one. WHich one?
a. 4000vib/s
b. 1000 vib/s
c. 3000 vib / s
d. 1500 vib/s

Homework Equations


searched google for formula but none so far

no formula in my notes.
probably this one

a = -\frac{k}{m}s

s = displacement
m = mass
k = spring constant
a = acceleration

or this one
T=2\pi\sqrt{\frac{m}{k}}

T = period
m = mass
k = constant

The Attempt at a Solution


i don't know
can you help me start?
 
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You've written down the equations for simple harmonic motion. But I don't think that is what the question is about. If you look up a sonometer on google, it looks very much like the situation of standing waves on a string. (since it is fixed at two ends). So I think you should be using the equations for standing waves on a string.
 
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/waves/string.htmli see now but the answer is not given in the multiple choice
f=\frac{v}{\lambda}
f=\frac{v}{2L}\mbox{ since }L=\frac{\lambda}{2}
v=\sqrt{\frac{T}{\rho}}=\sqrt{\frac{T}{\frac{m}{L}}}
f=\frac{1}{2L}\sqrt{\frac{T}{\frac{m}{L}}}
f=625Hz=625vib/s
the question might be a typo or is it not?
 
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I think you might be using incorrect values for L or m. The entire wire is 80cm, with mass 0.4g. But only 50cm of that wire is within the sonometer. So what should you use for L and m in the equation?
 
i see, so \rho=\frac{m}{L_{string}} L_string = 80cm is different from
the length of the string apart which is the wavelength/2 = 50cm

1000vib/s
thanks
 
yep. no worries :)
 

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